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Title: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on August 08, 2012, 09:01:35 am
Add your questions and comments to this topic.



If you need help transcribing see:
Thetis -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3256.0)

Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)


If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Thetis -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3410.0)










Example of what a weather page might look like when transcribing the last line of data:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_103_0.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img822/8673/zg7j.jpg)



Example of what an events page might look like after the data has been transcribed:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_103_1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img14/1985/wi58.jpg)

The date is required.
You may transcribe more information than is shown here.

Title: Re: USRC Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 17, 2012, 07:17:44 pm
USRC Thetis must be the first vessel the system presents for trancription after completing the new tutorial. That is a possible explanation for her quite large crew, when compared to other vessels' crews.
I think I have completed my voyage on Thetis as I am getting  the message that "something went wrong" (Maybe a substitute for the well known message 'your voyage is now complete')

USRC Thetis is a very interesting vessel to transcribe. The pages available for transcription cover the period of the Greely Expedition Relief from April 1884 to October 1884.
At the beginng and the the end of the logs there are blank pages with just Date, Port Name and some remarks.

The Greely Expedition, better known as Lady Franklyn Bay expedition, was a scientific travel promoted by the United States Army Signal Corps in 1881 and led by Adolphus Greely to collect scientific data into the Canadian Arctic.
Three years later only 7 men out of 25 taking part to the expedition survived. One of them, Wrd Serg Ellison, died on July 8th 1884 on board of USRC Bear, during the journey back home.
USRC Thetis, along with USRC Bear, HMS Alert and HMS Loch Garry, found them June 22nd, 1884.
USRC Thetis carried back 6 dead bodies of the Greely party preserving them in alcohol (procedure described in the logs record of events, June 24th, 1884).

This site reports the Greely expedition timeline
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/timeline/greely/

Winfield S Schley USN, was the Captain of USRC Thetis and of the Greely Relif Expedition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greely_relief_expedition_-_labelled.jpg

Silvia - Please excuse me for moving your post, but I needed an empty first post.
Title: Re: USRC Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on October 21, 2012, 02:02:01 pm
I made a change to the Thetis in the dockyard, adding the midnight lat/long information as well as the reason for which the position should be "Observed". Please see if you agree with the way I have done it.
Title: Re: USRC Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 21, 2012, 02:19:32 pm
I think that maybe
Quote
Lat - by moon at horizon at midnight        75 o 32
Longitude Bearings of ~ Hill at midnight    62 o 15 W
should be in the Notes for transcribers.

Unfortunately, the weather and events pages have somewhat conflicting logic - though there is a logical reason for this :P.
The weather page quote shows what should be transcribed, and
the events page quote is a complete transcription of the page.

"The position of the hill is presumably known." can probably be left out.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 30, 2013, 01:54:13 pm
I found some cool pictures in the library of University of Alaska - Fairbanks.  "Governor Swineford collected the photographs during the 1887 voyage he and his wife, Minnie Swineford, took aboard the Thetis. Included are views of the Thetis and its crew,Alaska Natives from various regions of the State of Alaska, seal harvesters, bidarkas, the Jane Grey, Orthodox Eastern Churches in Alaska, King Island, St. Paul Island, and scenes and activities of other Alaskan villages."

Some of the pictures in the album (http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/search/field/collec/searchterm/Shattuck,%20Mrs.%20Allen%20(Agnes%20Swineford),%20A%20summer%20on%20the%20Thetis,%201888.%20ASL-PCA-27/mode/exact)
To download: http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg21/id/13352/rec/1
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 30, 2013, 02:16:54 pm
Janet I just had to put up one of those photos - the houses on King Island are just astonishing... :o 8) :D

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7174/kingisland.png)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 30, 2013, 02:47:02 pm
They sure are!

They may be still there...
http://mapcarta.com/24099966
http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=1404734&fid=usageo_1305
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 30, 2013, 03:27:18 pm
Not a very promising site for a Club Med.  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 30, 2013, 05:46:30 pm
That is THE maddest place to live- check out those boulders perched on the bank....insane!  Forget a hard hat - you'd have your head stoved in anyway if one of those rocks went walk-about.
Definitely not on the acquisition list for Club med, Craig  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 30, 2013, 06:09:46 pm
On such a tiny island, they may not have had a choice.  But why want to build there in the first place?  It's crazy!  The modern photo in mapcarta.com identifies it as abandoned - someone got smart.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on February 01, 2013, 03:41:27 pm
Kevin found this, in discussion about the Rodgers.  But it comes from the Thetis. :)

Report of ice and ice movements in Bering Sea and Arctic Basin (1890) (http://archive.org/details/reporticeandice00simpgoog)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on February 17, 2013, 05:34:23 pm
King Island community:

http://www.kawerak.org/tribalHomePages/kingIsland/index.html
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on February 17, 2013, 07:09:48 pm
So those precarious buildings are surviving all these years because they are actively maintained as summer homes!  Really cool.  Thanks. :)

(http://www.kawerak.org/tribalHomePages/kingIsland/images/kingis.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on February 17, 2013, 08:35:08 pm
I'm glad to know that too!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 17, 2013, 10:08:39 pm
So I wasn't that far off with the Club Med allusion  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on April 07, 2013, 12:51:46 pm
I just came across this:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_116_1.jpg

Somebody on Thetis cut away one page from the log book. No data went lost and everything is in perfect chronological order.
Possibly something went wrong while recording events and the Navigating Officer preferred to cut the page away and re-write a nice clear record :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on April 07, 2013, 12:56:15 pm
That's a first.  We've had plenty of crossed out page, but never before cut out.  I suppose it makes sense in a 2-page logbook, if it's the second page of the day; you don't have to rewrite all the weather data.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on April 07, 2013, 10:12:08 pm
Cutting a page would be illegal nowadays - some logs even have an included string that would supposedly show if that happened. Maybe that's the page that described the alien encounter we've been covering up for so long?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on April 07, 2013, 10:26:43 pm
Ahh, the sea-borne Roswell Event.   ;D

(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/ufo.gif)
(http://www.animatedgif.net/nauticalboats/sailboat_e0.gif)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on April 07, 2013, 10:43:50 pm
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on April 07, 2013, 11:37:34 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on April 08, 2013, 02:21:36 pm
 ;D :P
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 11, 2013, 07:43:37 pm
15 January 1887

Armament
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_007_0.jpg

Tables of deviation of standard compass
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_007_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 14, 2013, 03:19:37 pm
Complement of Petty Officers, Seamen, Ordinary Seamen, Landsmen, Boys, and Marines
[Rates and number of people - should help for deciphering ratings.]

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_006_0.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 14, 2013, 11:10:46 pm
Quote
Received on board the following articles for cabin  1 set (complete No 22) china, glass and plated ware. 2 mattresses, 2 pillows. 2 toilet sets. 1 set cooking utensils, 1 set linen (table and bed.)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on April 15, 2013, 10:38:11 pm
2 beds, but one set linen for table and one for bed? Hmmmmm...weird! ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 15, 2013, 10:47:08 pm
I wondered about that too ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on April 16, 2013, 03:24:08 am
I would imagine that a full set of linen would include sheets, etc.,  for both beds.  ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 20, 2013, 10:28:34 pm
I have been looking up a lot of things. I have added some to OWpedia and Sail and Wind Powered Sailing Terms, but some seemed either too specialized or not important enough so I created Terms found in US log books (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3715.0) and put them there. Feel free to add your own finds, from log books for Thetis or other ships, to the topic.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on August 29, 2013, 12:19:39 pm
USRS Thetis is providing not only weather reports, but something that might interest an etomologist as well:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol005of024/vol005_132_0.jpg

Thetis, November 26th, 1887. She at anchor in Departure Bay, Vancouver Island.
:)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 29, 2013, 12:29:24 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 29, 2013, 02:17:53 pm
USRS Thetis is providing not only weather reports, but something that might interest an etomologist as well:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol005of024/vol005_132_0.jpg

Thetis, November 26th, 1887. She at anchor in Departure Bay, Vancouver Island.
:)

They used the logbook to whack a mosquito!!!
One down, 10 million to go.   ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on August 30, 2013, 11:11:57 am
Perfect specimen!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on September 09, 2013, 07:46:02 pm
Ahoy Thetsians  (is that correct?) ???

The Crew of the Patterson greets you from far in the future (November 17, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6412_1.jpg) to be exact).  And brings you a shoe for your gig that the Commanding Officer of the Bering Sea fleet wanted you to have.

Keep an eye out for us in your logs
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 17, 2013, 03:18:38 pm
lollia paolina passes the 20000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 29, 2013, 03:04:31 pm
DavidErskine passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 22, 2014, 08:51:57 pm
lollia paolina passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 15, 2014, 12:47:14 pm
Hello from Bear!
After thinking that it would be great to see a photo of them hoisting the reindeer on board, a bit of searching led to 'The arctic adventures of Thetis (http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/arctic30-1-2.pdf)' which actually mentions Bear quite a lot as well. And does indeed include a photo of a dangling reindeer (page 9) - it's not a great photo but still.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 15, 2014, 01:00:49 pm
Thanks jil!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 19, 2014, 08:58:55 am
Greetings from sunny Rio de Janeiro (http://mapcarta.com/Rio_de_Janeiro)!

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~30528~1140055:Map-of-Brazil,-Bolivia,-Paraguay,-a?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when/1880;q:brazil;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=0&trs=1

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~37681~1210683:South-America--southern-sheet----wi?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/where/Rio%20de%20Janeiro%20%28Brazil%29;q:rio%2Bjaneiro;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=4&trs=10

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~209804~5003677:Colton-s-Brazil-and-Guayana---inset?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when/1886;q:brazil;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=1&trs=3

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~20715~560001:Rand,-McNally-&-Co--s-indexed-atlas?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when/1897;q:brazil;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=0&trs=1

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/brse.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 19, 2014, 07:00:15 pm
Off to Montevideo (http://mapcarta.com/Montevideo)...
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_174_1.jpg
Merid. to 4 P.M.     Clear + pleasant. calm to light airs from NE. Barometer steady. At 1.15 spread fires. At 1.45 made Gen. Sig. 4890, Flagship answered 904.At 1.50 hove up port anchor. At 2.00 let go starboard anchor, engine not turning over on account of hot condenser. At 2.50 hove up starboard anchor + got under way. Stood out of harbor Navigator in charge. At 3.00 Flagship signalled International Code B.Q.R. answered R.S.J. Unbent starboard chain + got both anchors on the bow. U.S. Consul visited the ship. Swinging ship for compass deviation. Ship's draft 13.6 forward 15.6 aft.

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3689~340031:General-chart-of-the-coasts-of-Bras?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:monte%2Bvideo;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=1&trs=2
Note that main map is rotated so that north is, roughly, to the right.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 19, 2014, 10:46:24 pm
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_175_1.jpg
M. Scanlan (Sea) was confined in double irons by order of Commanding Officer to await trial by Court Martial. M. Scanlan (Sea) + James M. Cunningham (Sea) were furnished with copies of specifications against them.

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_176_1.jpg
The following Officers detailed by the Commanding Officer met at 10 A.M. for the trial by Summary Court Martial of James M. Cunningham (Sea) + Michael Scanlan (Sea) :- R. F. Lopez, Ensign, USN, Senior Member, Ensigns M. C. Gorgas + T. G. Dewey, Members + Asst Paymaster J. Q. Lovell, Recorder  At 11.55 the Court adjourned till 1 P.M.

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_181_1.jpg
At 9.30 inspected crew at quarters + called "all hands to muster." Read sentence of Summary Court Martial in the case of James M. Cunningham (Sea) + M. Scanlan (Sea) which convened on board this vessel on the 1'st inst. Sentence in the case of J. Cunningham  :- To be confined in double irons for 30 days on bread + water except full rations every fifth day, + , subject to the approval of the Honorable Secretary of the Navy, to lose all pay that may become due him during this time amounting to $25 dollars. Sentence in the case of M. Scanlan (Sea) :- To be confined in double irons for 30 days. Placed James M. Cunningham (Sea) + M. Scanlan (Sea) in confinement in double irons in obedience to sentence of Summary Court Martial.



Double Irons (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3936.msg82521#msg82521)
Summary Court-Martial (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg52129#msg52129)
1'st inst = first of the present month (in this case 1 July)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 21, 2014, 08:56:49 am
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_177_1.jpg

Quote from: 8 A.M. to Merid
Vessel pitching deeply to rough head sea.

Quote from: Merid to 4 P.M.
Vessel pitching deeply at times. The Dinghy was somewhat damaged by being knocked by the sea, as the stern of the ship dipped.

Quote from: 8 P.M. to Mid
At 11.00 - 20 inches in well. Pumped her out.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 21, 2014, 12:08:22 pm
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_178_1.jpg
At 5.30 released prisoners for 45 minutes for exercise on deck.

First ship I have seen this on, but here they seem to do it several times a week.
I don't know what kind of prisoners these are.

and

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_179_1.jpg
Released prisoners for half an hour to scrub clothes.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 22, 2014, 03:49:49 pm
The current log keeper/copier has a "p" that sometimes looks very much like a b :P

See http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_181_1.jpg
8 A.M. to Merid. - Cloudy but pleasant
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 22, 2014, 10:16:13 pm
Ships "met"



Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 23, 2014, 01:03:34 pm
Log date: 8 July 1887
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_183_1.jpg
Officer from "Chacabuco" called + notified the Commanding Officer that they will dress ship + fire a salute at noon to-morrow in celebration of their Independence Day.

"Chacabuco" is an Argentine Gunboat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Declaration_of_Independence



Log date: 9 July 1887
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_184_1.jpg
At 8 dressed ship rainbow fashion, Argentine Republic Flag at main in honor of their Independence Day.

Dressing and full-dressing ship - rainbow (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg52129#msg52129)



Log date: 12 July 1887
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_187_1.jpg
Boarding officer from the Argentine Confederation Gun-boat "Chacabuco" called to return thanks for dressing ship for July 9'th
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 25, 2014, 01:43:15 pm
10 July 1887
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_185_1.jpg

Quote
Mid. to 8 A.M.     Overcast + squalls; stiff to very fresh breeze from SEbyE. Rough sea. At 6.40 let go port anchor + veered to 15 fathoms on port chain + 60 fathoms on starboard chain. Got swinging booms alongside + counter braced yards. Barometer falling slightly till seven when it began to rise.

Quote
Merid. to 4 P.M.     Overcast + rainy weather. Blowing moderate to heavy gale from SE. Ship making fair anchorage. At 2.00 veered to 75 fathoms on starboard chain + 30 fathoms on port chain. Bent buoy rope to "Bear". Sea long and heavy from SE. Hawse open + clear. Bearings of anchorage (mag) Ship's head, SE  Rat Island, N 7/8 W  Lobos Point W 3/4 S.

Quote
4 P.M. to 6 P.M.     Overcast rainy + squally. Blowing a gale from SEbyE. Ship riding easily with equal strain on both cables, to heavy sea from SE.

Quote
8 P.M. to Mid.     Weather overcast + rainy. A strong gale from SE to SEbyE with heavy squalls. Vessel riding well to her chain. Ship heading to wind  Heavy sea from SE. Barometer fell .02  At 11.50 the steam whaleboat the "Bear" which had been riding astern easily, without shipping any water as far as could be seen, foundered at her moorings. She was buoyed in previously as a precautionary measure.



11 July 1887
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_186_1.jpg

Quote
4 A.M. to 8 A.M.     Gale from SE with rain. Heavy sea running. At 5.30 streamed the buoy to "Bear". 6.50 ordered steam on main boiler. Ship showed by ranges to have dragged slightly during the night. Chains taut, but motion easy. Hawse open + clear to SE. Barometer rising 30.18 to 30.20.

Quote
8 A.M. to Merid.     Overcast rainy + squally. Blowing a gale from SE with heavy sea from same direction. At 9.15 started fires under main boiler, + at 9.45 sent down topgallant yards + housed topgallant masts. Barometer falling slowly. Hawse open + clear to SE + taut; ship riding easily.

Quote
Merid. to 8 P.M.     Overcast with rain. Strong gale to fresh breeze from SE. Barometer rising. At 3.00 o'clock commenced to make preparations to allow an American whaler, which was drifting rapidly upon us, to pass our port side, - rigged in all our port boats on deck, unshipped port awning stanchions, + everything that was liable to be damaged by colliding with whaler, on port side. The whaler had previously cleared her starboard side of boats etc, set her spanker, + hauled aft starboard sheet. At 3.30 went ahead spoke Captain of bark, told him to set necessary sail to drift to port. The Captain of whaler set foresail, but braced wrong way. Bark continued dragging across our hawse, finally fouled on port bow, veered to bitter end on starboard chain, backed engines + when clear, went ahead with starboard helm, set jib with starboard sheet aft to clear bark. When she was broad off starboard bow, ships again swung together jibs were hauled down, spanker set, engines stopped  Bark set jib + kept apart about twenty feet. Got up + passed nine inch manila hawser to bark, as soon as fast went ahead full speed, starboard helm, heaving in both chains at same time, tripping the bark's anchors with our chains. Bark then went astern + held on by our hawser, where she continued during night. Secured chains with 60 fathoms starboard anchor, 15 fathoms port anchor; kept fires. When vessels fouled each other, our dolphin striker was knocked out of place, starboard outrigger for jib guy was bent, starboard ~ chain carried away. As far as could be seen the bark lost spanker, after quarter davits, + two boats were smashed  Vessels fouled each other about 3.30 + were clear of each other about 7 o'clock



12 July 1887
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_187_1.jpg

Quote
At 2.00 black buoy to "Bear" went adrift, the line parting.

Quote
American whaler riding easily to hawser at starboard quarter.

Quote
At 5.10 got underway, + towed American whaler "Palmetto" out to a clear anchorage.





Quote from: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26000/26000-h/26000-h.htm
BITTER-END. That part of the cable which is abaft the bitts, and therefore within board when the ship rides at anchor. They say, "Bend to the bitter-end" when they would have that end bent to the anchor, and when a chain or rope is paid out to the bitter-end, no more remains to be let go. The bitter-end is the clinching end?sometimes that end is bent to the anchor, because it has never been used, and is more trustworthy. The first 40 fathoms of a cable of 115 fathoms is generally worn out when the inner end is comparatively new.

HAWSE. This is a term of great meaning. Strictly, it is that part of a vessel's bow where holes are cut for her cables to pass through. It is also generally understood to imply the situation of the cables before the ship's stem, when she is moored with two anchors out from forward, one on the starboard, and the other on the port bow. It also denotes any small distance between her head and the anchors employed to ride her, as "he has anchored in our hawse," "the brig fell athwart our hawse," &c. Also, said of a vessel a little in advance of the stem; as, she sails athwart[373] hawse, or has anchored in the hawse. If a vessel drives at her anchors into the hawse of another she is said to "foul the hawse" of the vessel riding there; hence the threat of a man-of-war's-man, "If you foul my hawse, I'll cut your cable," no merchant vessel being allowed to approach a ship-of-war within certain limits, and never to make fast to the government buoys. ...
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 02, 2014, 07:33:10 am
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on April 03, 2014, 09:22:34 pm
I was wondering why I was gaining on her on the Bear  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 03, 2014, 10:00:20 pm
She was waiting for duplicate pages to be removed ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on April 04, 2014, 01:43:34 am
That sounds painful   :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on April 04, 2014, 01:45:06 am
It's now done - everyone can go back to Bear.  :)
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Post by: Randi on May 09, 2014, 08:15:35 pm
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on August 23, 2014, 12:11:45 pm
Just stopping by for a quick look  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 23, 2014, 12:31:08 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on August 24, 2014, 03:31:02 pm
Hi Everyone! 
I just joined the crew of the Thetis.  Right now I am in Mare Island Navy Yard so not much exciting happening so far, even the weather is mostly unvaried!  I'll be back with questions I am sure :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 24, 2014, 03:36:53 pm
Hi there!
Welcome to OW and to the forum family!

Everyone is happy to help with questions ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Miepie88 on August 26, 2014, 01:09:14 pm
Hi there,

Could someone help me decipher the name of the crew member in the second paragraph(8 AM to Merid, last 3 lines)?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_053_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_053_1.jpg)

I've looked at the crew list, but couldn't find any names that looked similar.
I have something like "F. Eu~e~ek (Sea) absent without leave. By order of Commanding Officer W.A. Cook(O.S.) + G. Anderson (O.S.) men declared deserter from the Navy from duty."
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 26, 2014, 01:54:34 pm
Not sure, but last letter seems to be a t.
Here is another example (8 am to mid) : http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_054_1.jpg
and here: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_049_1.jpg

You might find this helpful to search for other occurrences of the name: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863
(that's what I did above ;))
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 26, 2014, 02:00:20 pm
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on August 26, 2014, 02:50:01 pm
Hi there,

Could someone help me decipher the name of the crew member in the second paragraph(8 AM to Merid, last 3 lines)?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_053_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_053_1.jpg)

I've looked at the crew list, but couldn't find any names that looked similar.
I have something like "F. Eu~e~ek (Sea) absent without leave. By order of Commanding Officer W.A. Cook(O.S.) + G. Anderson (O.S.) men declared deserter from the Navy from duty."

I've had problems with the name too.
Thus far I've transcribed him as J. Emmet (Sea).
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 26, 2014, 02:56:15 pm
Sounds good to me.

Everyone understands that we have to make our best guess on some names and that sometimes we will guess wrong - or the log keeper will be wrong (I have seem multiple spellings of some officers' names ;)).
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on August 26, 2014, 05:19:07 pm
At 12:30 missed dinghy from her moorings.  At 12:45 dinghy returned with J. E Cannon (oiler) & J. White (CH) & two ~ in her.

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-XS42xNS/0/O/i-XS42xNS.jpg)

My curiosity is in overdrive - what did they bring back?

In the next watch the two were in double irons awaiting court martial, so I know it was not good.

4 April 1888

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on August 26, 2014, 05:37:36 pm
Hi Kookaburra,

It seems "& two men in her" to me  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on August 26, 2014, 05:55:21 pm
I think you are right.  Not nearly exciting enough though.  I wonder why the other men were not named.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 26, 2014, 06:03:34 pm
Hi Kookaburra,

It's good to see you in the forum!

When you have a question it frequently helps if you post a link to the page: Posting Links and Images (A Guide) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0).
That allows us to look at the context and at other pages.

By the way, are you transcribing as KookyBird?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on August 26, 2014, 06:25:42 pm
Yes  I am KookyBird; unfortunately Kookaburra was claimed on Zooinverse. 

Thank you for the instructions on linking a page - I knew there were page addresses but I did not know how to get them. 
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 27, 2014, 02:36:02 pm
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 27, 2014, 02:40:19 pm
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Post by: Randi on September 04, 2014, 08:41:01 pm
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 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on September 05, 2014, 08:08:35 am
Goodbye Randi,
you're no longer in the top 12!

:(
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 05, 2014, 12:00:03 pm
As long as progress is being made...
;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 06, 2014, 11:35:15 am
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Post by: Randi on September 07, 2014, 03:40:43 pm
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on September 09, 2014, 08:02:02 am
Meteorological data forms of the U.S.S. Tallapoosa have ended up in Thetis' log book. ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_133_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_133_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_134_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_134_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_135_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_135_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_136_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_136_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_137_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_137_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_138_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_138_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_139_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_139_1.jpg)

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on September 09, 2014, 09:29:46 am
I've never worked out what's up with inserts - half the time I find them in exactly the right place, and the rest of the time I'm sat there wondering who decided to shuffle them like a deck of cards and replace them randomly!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 09, 2014, 11:50:50 am
I will notify the PTB.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 09, 2014, 08:09:53 pm
Danny, researchers used ship logs to create all the US Pilot Books, taking the shore descriptions directly from comments.  Also there have been men doing weather research with them long before any of their work could be digitized for us to use.  All it takes is a careless researcher removing inserts to read the logs, and at the end discovering he had forgotten to restore them to the proper page.  So, just open the book and insert them anywhere.  In this case, they opened the wrong book. 

Clearly none of them were archivists.  It's another case of needing a Tardis to go back and instruct them on 21st century requirements.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 09, 2014, 08:23:54 pm
I had a fun one today!  4 June 1888 at anchor Kodiak Island

I found a reference to what looked like Governor Swinford but thought I would double check Google.  And this is what I found - my ship!

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-DLh2QfJ/0/O/i-DLh2QfJ.jpg)

This is from thePacific Educational Journal, volumes 5-6 in Google Books -published in 1889 for the California Department of Public Instruction.  This appears to be publication for use by teachers, although there are many amusing adverts included.

There are other fine articles included in this publication, such as Should Young Girls Read Daily Newspapers?, Why Should I Spell Correctly, and Experiments that may be used in Connection with Teaching Scientific Temperance.  The last notes that districts will lose their funding if they do not instruct on "the manners and morals . . of alcoholic drinks and narcotics."

 http://books.google.com/books?id=3OQhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=GOVERNOR+SWINFORD&source=bl&ots=T9kFq4jpBE&sig=RZMDWPydoH95q2hpm4f8SqvbftA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R08PVMPqGYKKyAT9_YKwCg&ved=0CGEQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=GOVERNOR%20SWINFORD&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=3OQhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=GOVERNOR+SWINFORD&source=bl&ots=T9kFq4jpBE&sig=RZMDWPydoH95q2hpm4f8SqvbftA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R08PVMPqGYKKyAT9_YKwCg&ved=0CGEQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=GOVERNOR%20SWINFORD&f=false)

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 09, 2014, 09:06:22 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 09, 2014, 09:19:12 pm
And here is the photo album the governor collected that summer.  Finding background material is much easier when your ship is chauffeuring a VIP.  :)

A Summer on the Thetis, 1888 (http://library.alaska.gov/hist/hist_img/albums/asl_p027_album.pdf)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 09, 2014, 10:22:31 pm
Oh, thank you so much Janet!  It is wonderful to see the rather scruffy crew and the places they visit.  I am at St Paul right now, so finding the Russian church photo from that spot was especially fun.  The album really adds another dimension.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 09, 2014, 10:43:19 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on September 10, 2014, 02:48:01 pm
On 8 June 1888 Thetis arrived at Kenai, Alaska, or at least, she hopes so. :)

At 3.05 came to in 12 fms. off Kenai + veered to 45 fms. on starboard chain.
Impossible to get bearings of anchorage on account of apparent inconsistencies of chart.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_147_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_147_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 10, 2014, 06:10:19 pm
9 June she was at anchor "off Kenai" before steaming up Cook's Inlet to Coal Bay, so they must have given up on the idea of making it to Kenai itself.   :o

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on September 10, 2014, 07:21:55 pm
As with most Alaskan locations, it's probably debatable as to whether there were any suitable (public) dock facilities at Kenai to actually tie onto. On the Albatross, I'm not sure we've actually come adjacent to dock anywhere North of Vancouver Island, always "Lying off x" and sending in the smaller boats as needed.

Additionally, if it was only a stop for the night, there was probably little use in docking up! I've certainly noticed that ships are very reluctant to sail past sunset in coastal waters, often choosing the nearest town or sheltered harbour to spend the night but not actually doing much whilst there.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 12, 2014, 07:44:20 am
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 17, 2014, 08:25:28 am
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Post by: Randi on September 17, 2014, 08:30:01 am
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on September 21, 2014, 03:13:38 pm
27 July 1888, 4 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Thetis arrives off St. Michael's, Alaska.

Finally at home. ;D 8)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_196_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_196_1.jpg)

For those not quite understanding this silly announcement, Michael is the English spelling of Maikel. :P
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 21, 2014, 06:06:00 pm
Genius, Yes - Saint,  :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on September 22, 2014, 02:51:46 pm
From the log-book starting 31-07-1888

Instruments:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_004_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_004_1.jpg)

Armament:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_005_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_005_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 24, 2014, 10:43:31 am
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 25, 2014, 07:34:37 pm
Aleut bidara (a skin covered boat) design plan, Alaska Peninsula, Alaska, in engraving made 1807 (http://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/cdm/ref/collection/loc/id/2247)

More photos:
http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/search/searchterm/Bidara
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 25, 2014, 08:06:53 pm
You are amazing Randi - I am at this minute transcribing a page with bidaras.  I had never heard of them and was unsure of the word.  I was at this thread to double check the name of the place where they went ashore.

Distilling until 11.00 when stopped on account of native bidaras alongside.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_010_1.jpg

This is matching well with the photo album (there are bidaras in the album too):

About 25 natives on board.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 25, 2014, 08:33:42 pm
 ;D

Hotham Inlet: http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=1413151&fid=usageo_1313
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 25, 2014, 09:16:50 pm
OK, now I KNOW you are spying on me :)  ;D ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 25, 2014, 09:35:39 pm
This time - yes:
I was at this thread to double check the name of the place where they went ashore.

Last time - no - someone PM'd me a question and I thought it would be helpful to post the response here as well ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 27, 2014, 07:52:16 pm
9 August 1888
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_015_1.jpg

At 6.50 let go starboard anchor & 15 fm. chain buoyed so that it could be recovered by the steamer "Bear."

Send to "Bear" for use of crew of wrecked whaler the following articles of clothing: 25 undershirts, 25 ~ trousers, 25 drawers, 25 pr. shoes, 100 water caps, 25 fur socks.


10 August
Issued to "Bear" for use of shipwrecked crew, the following articles - 20 hammocks, 10 lb ~, 10 lb cod line, 1/2 lb cotton twine.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_016_1.jpg

Alas, as of the 10th, the search for the wrecked ship "Jane Gray" by both the "Bear" and the "Thetis" had not met with success.  I do know, however, that the ship survived, as TG Dewey gets transferred to her sometime during this log book!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_003_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 27, 2014, 10:22:20 pm
I do hope they meant 25 pairs socks or every shipwrecked sailor is going to have frost bite and blisters on one foot.   ;)

I can't read what kind of "~~~line" they got 10 pounds of tho.

Looks like lots of lives saved, even if they couldn't find the ship.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2014, 10:32:11 pm
I think it is marline - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3715.msg65483#msg65483
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 27, 2014, 10:35:05 pm
Hmmm . .  I think fur socks would be more fun :)  and maybe this whaler was crewed with peg-legs!  (I changed the transcription because, of course, you must have the right idea about socks)

And "marline" it is!  My first read was "sardines" but that made no sense whatever considering where they are.

This is my first real adventure here - and nothing compared to what those poor seamen on the "Jane Gray" were going through.

Added later:
And clearly more adventures to come, including transporting the body of a murdered Archbishop (well, at least killed).  Thanks for the links!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2014, 10:40:18 pm
Aug 13'th Thetis raises Jane Gray - http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18881003.2.30
(towards the end of the article)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_019_1.jpg

and especially: http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18881126.2.58
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 28, 2014, 09:47:36 pm
More deciphering help please: ;)  Quite a few guesses in my transcription. as well as too many ~s

12 August 1888

merid to 4pm
At 3.10 sighted wreck of schooner "Jane Gray" & stopped ship & sent boat to examine her.  She was lying on her port side, mast resting on an ice floe.  Starboard side had wooden ~ over stove parts.  Sent line to her & hauled alongside.

4pm to 6pm
At 4.15 started ahead with engines & towed schooner into open water.  Came to anchor at 4.20 in 20 fms & veered to 60 from on starboard chain.  Sent carpenter's mate & sail crew aboard over holes in schooner's side.  Hooked ~ falls at topmast head & to ship around the bowsail head of schooner mast preparatory to righting her.

6pm to 8pm
Crew engaged in righting schooner "Jane Gray" & at end of watch she went upright, her deck below water.

8pm to mid
Righted schooner ~ her rail awash & battening down hatches.  Main hatch & ~ wood hatch open at end of watch.  Anchored twice during watch but got underway both times on account of field ice drifting down on us.  At end of watch vessel drifting.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_018_1.jpg

This is harrowing even sitting in my safe home with a cup of hot coffee.  Also first time I have seen "battening down the hatches" used in the literal sense.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 28, 2014, 10:09:57 pm
BATTENING THE HATCHES. Securing the tarpaulins over them. (See Battens of the Hatches.)

BATTENS of the Hatches. Long narrow laths, or straightened hoops of casks, serving by the help of nailing to confine the edges of the tarpaulins, and keep them close down to the sides of the hatchways, in bad weather. Also, thin strips of wood put upon rigging, to keep it from chafing, by those who dislike mats: when large these are designated Scotchmen.

FALL. ... the loose end of a tackle, or that part to which the power is applied in hoisting, and on which the people pull.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26000/26000-h/26000-h.htm#F



You do much better with that writing than I do!

Maybe:
At 3.10 sighted wreck of schooner "Jane Gray" & stopped ship to send boat to examine her.  She was lying on her port side, mast resting on an ice floe.  Starboard side had wooden patches over stove parts.  Sent line to her & hauled alongside.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 28, 2014, 10:37:11 pm
More deciphering help please: ;)  Quite a few guesses in my transcription. as well as too many ~s

12 August 1888

merid to 4pm
At 3.10 sighted wreck of schooner "Jane Gray" & stopped ship & sent boat to examine her.  She was lying on her port side, mast resting on an ice floe.  Starboard side had wooden ~ over stove parts.  Sent line to her & hauled alongside.
Starboard side had wooden patches over stove parts.

Quote
4pm to 6pm
At 4.15 started ahead with engines & towed schooner into open water.  Came to anchor at 4.20 in 20 fms & veered to 60 from on starboard chain.  Sent carpenter's mate & sail crew aboard over holes in schooner's side.  Hooked ~ falls at topmast head & to ship around the bowsail head of schooner mast preparatory to righting her.
Hooked ~ falls at topmast head & to ship around the lowermast head of schooner mast preparatory to righting her.  (part of the mast, a whole tree trunk the head of which is lashed to the bottom of the topmast.)

Quote
This is harrowing even sitting in my safe home with a cup of hot coffee.  Also first time I have seen "battening down the hatches" used in the literal sense.

Definitely!  Sorry I can't help with the rest.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on September 29, 2014, 07:31:14 am
8pm to mid
Righted schooner ~ her rail awash & battening down hatches.  Main hatch & ~ wood hatch open at end of watch.  Anchored twice during watch but got underway both times on account of field ice drifting down on us.  At end of watch vessel drifting.

Righted schooner, raised her rail awash...
Main hatch & cord (?) wood hatch...
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 29, 2014, 08:47:56 am
raised and cord look good to me.



"Hooked ~ falls at topmast head & to ship around the lowermast head of schooner mast preparatory to righting her."

I wonder if it is straps rather than ship:
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433008209128;view=1up;seq=59


(for more on fall: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433008209128;view=1up;seq=60)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on September 29, 2014, 08:57:54 am
I concur - "straps" with the dash for the "t" having migrated halfway across the word!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on September 29, 2014, 05:41:08 pm
Thank you all!  I have updated the transcriptions with your suggestions - which coincidentally make sense in context!  :D

I am giving the log keeper full pardon on the scrabble considering the circumstances.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 29, 2014, 10:17:35 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on October 02, 2014, 07:45:59 pm
Picking up on the latest location in the AK Names Thread:

Cape Sabine
http://www.geographic.org/nautical_charts/36_alaska/16104_1_cape_sabine.html

68.55.00N
164.36.00W

Mentioned in Thesis log of 19 August 1888
At sea, bound from Point Barrow to Coal Mine near Cape Sabine, Alaska

This location was apparently later named "Thetis Mine" in honour of this visit! This USGS report (http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0278/report.pdf) also includes a photo of the Thetis in the area, presumably on a later visit in 1904, which was the voyage the report was based on.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 02, 2014, 08:00:08 pm
Oh what a wonderful find!  I see Thetis Mine on the map - and even a Thetis Cr.  If anyone else is looking, the map is on page 7 and the photo of the ship on page 10 of the document.  The surrounding article is all about the 1904 trip.  What an intrepid ship we have here!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 03, 2014, 10:22:50 pm
I was curious about what these hard working sailors were fed and I got a good idea when the "Thetis" transferred provisions to the "Jane Gray."  Lots of meat and biscuit.

Transferred to schooner "Jane Gray" the following articles:  . . . . Also following provisions - 798 lb biscuit; 45 lb cornmeal, 25 lb oatmeal, 50 lb hominy, 294 lb wheat flour: 400 lb salt pork; 33 1/2 gallons beans; 15 gall ~ ~; 300 lb salt beef; 133 lb rice; 25 lb dried apples; 72 lb butter; 72 lb tomatoes; 48 lb roast beef; 48 lb corned beef; 70 lb ham; 71 lb bacon; 48 lb sausage meat; 48 lb salmon; 100 lb coffee; 20 lb tea; 20 lb cocoa; 70 lbs pickles, 1 gall molasses, 1 gall vinegar; 240 lb vegetables; 260 lb sugar; 90 lb candles.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_027_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 03, 2014, 10:27:53 pm
That would be 15 gallons split pease, I believe.  :)

Have you seen the inventories they packed onto the Jeannette when they were planning on leaving all civilization for 2 years, with only hunting to supplement their supplies?
http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Jeannette/USS_Jeannette.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 03, 2014, 11:02:54 pm
Nice list!  It also solved 3 of my mysteries in navigation, and equipment stores that were transferred.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 03, 2014, 11:59:12 pm
 :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 05, 2014, 06:57:28 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 07, 2014, 09:45:53 pm
Mysteriously precise:
Received in all 19 2180/2240 tons of coal during day

The ship's crew has been coaling themselves, but all other entries are to the nearest quarter ton.

They were also generous with the locals:
Expended 30 lb of hard tack for services rendered by Indians on shore.

29 August 1888
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_035_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 08, 2014, 07:50:52 am
Mysteriously precise:
Received in all 19 2180/2240 tons of coal during day

Weird!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 08, 2014, 01:39:24 pm
Look what I just found by pure chance!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_243_1.jpg
Note that 742 + 2240 - 882 = 2100.

Quote from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ton
Ton ... A unit of weight equal to 2,240 pounds (1.016 metric tons or 1,016.05 kilograms). Also called long ton.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 08, 2014, 03:43:51 pm
Now Kookaburra's very precise fraction makes sense!!!

Will someone please explain to me why the navy has to ignore both the US ton (2000 lbs) and the Metric ton (1000 kg or 2204.8 lbs) and come up with a different "Long ton"?  English and US weight systems are bad enough already!!!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 08, 2014, 03:57:26 pm
I think sailors prefer to have their own obscure jargon so they can immediately spot us landlubbers in their midst and shun us appropriately.  :)

At least this explains the fraction - and maybe my log-keeper was influenced briefly by the Bear log-keeper.   Not sure it explains why the measurement was so precise.  It is only 60 lbs shy of a full (nautical) long ton.  I can not imagine their weighing devices were calibrated to that degree.

I learned something new today and that makes it a good day!

From the ever-reliable Wikipedia:
Long ton, also known as the imperial ton or weight ton, is the name for the unit called the "ton" in the avoirdupois or Imperial system of measurements that was used in the United Kingdom and several other Commonwealth countries before metrication. One long ton is equal to 2,240 pounds (1,016 kg), 12% larger than a short ton and 1.6% larger than the 1,000-kilogram (2,205 lb) tonne, or 35 cubic feet (0.9911 m3) of salt water with a density of 64 lb/cu ft (1.025 g/ml).  It has some limited use in the United States, most commonly in measuring the displacement of ships, and was the unit prescribed for warships by the Washington Naval Treaty 1922?for example battleships were limited to a mass of 35,000 long tons (36,000 t; 39,000 short tons).

The Imperial ton was explicitly excluded from use for trade in the United Kingdom by the Weights and Measures Act of 1985
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on October 08, 2014, 08:32:50 pm
Well, Janet, if the Americans hadn't gone and decided to create that silly "Short Ton", we'd have been just fine!

The Albatross similarly measured coal in long tons and pounds, so it's a fairly long term habit of the Navy. Perhaps it was because the Long Ton was used internationally, and so there was a chance that if coaling in non-US locations, the logkeeper might confuse his units and mess up the conversion from the dock's report of long tons to short tons in the book - or even worse, forget to do so at all!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 08, 2014, 08:55:07 pm
Don't you dare blame us for what our colonial masters forced on us!!!  We were the ones smart enough to keep "ounces" and "pounds" but discard "stones" and "Drams" (avoirdupois and troy) and "grains" and "Hundredweights" and "Pennyweights" and "Quarters".  We simplified what we were saddled with.  If the English had lost a war and turned us colonials over to the French, we'd have gone metric in the 1790s.   8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on October 08, 2014, 09:21:43 pm
If the English had lost a war and turned us colonials over to the French, we'd have gone metric in the 1790s.   8)

I'm not sure you can really blame us for your non-metrification - you've had two centuries to do it :P
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 08, 2014, 09:43:46 pm
I'm not blaming our stubborness on anyone but us.  I'm refusing to take credit for inventing it all.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 12, 2014, 07:09:57 pm
lollia paolina passes the 50,000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 12, 2014, 07:12:01 pm
eikwar passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 15, 2014, 07:07:23 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 15, 2014, 09:31:47 pm
:) ^

For the record, I am noting here that I am changing the columns for data on the MORNING only of 14 September, 1888.   The previous day (the 13th) they broke the barometer and there are no Bar Height or Ther Attached entries, but there are entries for Dry, Wet and Water after that time.

The morning of 14 September, 1888 there are Ther Attached, Dry and Wet entries but no Water.  In the afternoon it reverts to the same format as yesterday afternoon (no barometer entries). 

14 13th
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_050_0.jpg

15 14th
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_051_0.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 15, 2014, 10:48:16 pm
Your link for the 14'th seems to go to the 13'th, and your link for the 15'th seems to go to the 14'th.

If I have understood correctly, you have put the data for the morning of the 14'th in the correct columns?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on October 15, 2014, 11:44:02 pm
Yes, I moved the data for the 14th to the right colums.

Sorry, I had the wrong dates and corrected them in the text, but forgot to in the links :( - will do so now.  The actual 15th follows the pattern of two barometer columns blank and Dry, Wet and Water columns completed.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 16, 2014, 07:12:55 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 24, 2014, 12:40:37 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 09, 2014, 06:44:54 pm
All kinds of tasks for this crew: hauling around Governors and dead archbishops, rescuing wrecked ships & their crews, transporting hungry miners to a safer place for the winter.   But I would guess this is one of the primary duties of a Revenue Cutter:

At 11.00 a small boat come into the harbor from the southward & hauled up on the beach.  At 3.30 sent Ensign M.C. Gorgas with an armed boat's crew to investigate the boat & the crew, suspecting them to be liquor smugglers.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_103_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 10, 2014, 11:45:01 am
I guess the Thetis didn't get into the reindeer transport business, like the Bear? The latter shipped hundreds (or probably 1000s) of them from Siberia to Alaska over a number of years.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 10, 2014, 07:05:16 pm
I guess the Thetis didn't get into the reindeer transport business, like the Bear? The latter shipped hundreds (or probably 1000s) of them from Siberia to Alaska over a number of years.
Oh, this is coming up.  I am quite looking forward to it!   I think I have 6 months until the reindeer come aboard :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 14, 2014, 07:45:12 pm
curiosity again haunts me.

Between mid and 4am I found this post:

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-wVkkpRq/0/O/i-wVkkpRq.jpg)
Many smeltons during the watch, - one very brilliant one to the southward.  Obviously not "smeltons"

They are near Victoria BC (to hand over that pesky archbishop's body) so I do not think it is anything to do with northern lights.  It is not a storm since the whole period is B, none and 0.  Any ideas?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_112_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 14, 2014, 07:51:07 pm
How about meteors? That's what it looks like to me, and it would also explain the "very brilliant one to the southward".
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 14, 2014, 07:58:38 pm
I agree with Hanibal94.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 14, 2014, 08:32:53 pm
How about meteors? That's what it looks like to me, and it would also explain the "very brilliant one to the southward".
Oh that makes perfect sense!  Thank you.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 14, 2014, 08:48:52 pm
Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments is the place to ask ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 14, 2014, 08:53:15 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 4000 mark!



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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 16, 2014, 11:26:49 am
Way to go, KookyBird  8)

I have just done 1 month (November 1888) for the Thetis and I notice the barometer readings have been consistently in the mid to high 30s and now 31.06 on Nov. 30. I suspect the barometer is not properly calibrated. I think it was high in the Victoria region just as it has been all the way down the coast to San Francisco.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 16, 2014, 02:12:44 pm
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 16, 2014, 04:24:25 pm
I have just done 1 month (November 1888) for the Thetis and I notice the barometer readings have been consistently in the mid to high 30s and now 31.06 on Nov. 30. I suspect the barometer is not properly calibrated. I think it was high in the Victoria region just as it has been all the way down the coast to San Francisco.
Well they did break it back on 13 September! (8am to merid)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_050_1.jpg

In general they have become quite haphazard the last couple of months.  There have been MANY readings where the wet bulb is higher than the dry.  They almost never record the lat/log even when at sea (never at anchor).  They have consistently recorded only two temps (wet and dry) while in the past they consistently recorded all 4.  Log is signed by the same Ensigns and it all started when the barometer broke.  Very odd.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 16, 2014, 04:46:56 pm
Weird - sounds like a case of broken windows theory (broken barometer theory?) to me.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 18, 2014, 04:17:28 pm
2 December 1888 San Francisco
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_130_1.jpg

At 10.15 called "all hands to muster"  Published letters from the Navy Department and Chamber of Commerce in regard to the raising of the "Jane Grey"

Nice to know they got a little recognition for all that hard work!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 19, 2014, 02:05:25 pm
krigby
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 19, 2014, 04:52:49 pm
Hi krigby - welcome to a very interesting ship!  Even if you are in boring San Francisco right now, in a few months you will travel back to the arctic and help transport live reindeer from Russia to Alaska!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 19, 2014, 07:29:38 pm
Another odd little tidbit.  Today (10 Dec 1888) we moved into Mare Island and tied up alongside a ship with a somewhat indecipherable name.  At first I though "Dreadnaught" but immediately discarded that for several reasons, and it looks clearly like a "noch" at the end.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_138_1.jpg

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-3XBxFPx/0/O/i-3XBxFPx.jpg)

So I went searching among the many lists of navy vessels.  Soon I discovered the solution (I believe) - the Monadnock.  I know the name from the early "skyscraper" in Chicago with 6 foot thick walls at the base (an interesting story on its own http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monadnock_Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monadnock_Building))

The Monadnock has quite a story as a ship also.  It was built over 22 years before commissioning in 1896 and resided during most of that time at the Mare Island yard.  I found photos over several years with it at the wharf of Mare Island.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/monadnock.htm

The ship and the building were under construction at the same time.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 19, 2014, 08:10:48 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 19, 2014, 09:44:56 pm
Once again, deciphering help requested:

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-pNfGjpV/0/O/i-pNfGjpV.jpg)
What is the ship's name?
I think it ends with "ican" or "icam."  I looked through the lists of ships for those ending with that segment but nothing looks right.

This ship sent over a few men to the Thetis on 13 Dec 1888

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_141_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 19, 2014, 09:47:56 pm
Mohican ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mohican_%281883%29
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 19, 2014, 09:55:36 pm
Oh yes, I believe it is  ;D  :D  :)  ;)  ;D

And she was most certainly at Mare Island on the date in question.

I am most impressed - I spent a good 45 minutes looking for it and you found it in 3 minutes or less.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 19, 2014, 10:29:09 pm
Mohican is also on our history site Naval-History.Net as a possible future (not near future :( ) ship to transcribe.  :)
http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Mohican/USS_Mohican.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2014, 10:45:30 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 5000 mark!


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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 24, 2014, 06:02:18 pm
12 January 1889
Brig Gen Miles, US Army, paid an official visit to the Commodore of the Yard - a salute of eleven guns being fired in his honor upon departure.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_171_1.jpg

Nelson Appleton Miles was a very interesting character:
- Distinguished himself in the Civil War (1861-65) and The Indian Wars (1874-77) and commanded the Army during the Spanish-American War (1898).
- He was the last Commanding General in the Army's history as the position was eliminated when he retired.
- Married the niece of Gen. William T Sherman and used his political connections to further his career.
- Lead the forces who suppressed the Pullman Strike (1894) - often considered a shameful interference by the Army in a labor dispute.
- In 1888 -1890 he commanded the Department of the Pacific at San Francisco.
- He left San Francisco in 1890 to direct the Army's efforts to suppress the Ghost Dance "uprising" on the Lakota reservations.  This lead directly to the massacre at Wounded Knee.

Definitely a man of his time: honored in the 19th century but something of an embarrassment today.  He was directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of 3 great American Indian leaders: Sitting Bull, Geronimo, and Chief Joseph.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/namiles.htm

(http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/namiles-moh-1891-01.jpg)

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 25, 2014, 12:30:44 pm
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 60,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 25, 2014, 12:31:47 pm
krigby passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 25, 2014, 12:46:56 pm
Way to go, Silvia! That makes you the only person to have passed that mark three times - yet another first for your collection!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 25, 2014, 05:05:32 pm
Good work, Silvia !  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 25, 2014, 05:06:20 pm
  lollia paolina passes the 60,000 mark! 
I am awestruck.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 26, 2014, 05:22:40 pm
20 January 1889 sighted the USS Vandalia sailing out to Samoa.  Well that ol' curiosity got me again.  The Vandalia had a sad end to the Samoa trip, less than two months after her sighting by Thetis.

Quote
In early 1889, Vandalia was sent to Samoa to help counter German political and military activities in that island kingdom. While anchored in Apia Harbor, Samoa, on 15-16 March 1889, Vandalia was driven ashore by a violent hurricane. The ship was utterly wrecked, and suffered the loss of 43 of her officers and men, including her Commanding Officer, Captain Cornelius M. Schoonmaker. After recovery of fittings and armament, her wreck was donated to the Samoans for its salvage value and broken up.

(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h02000/h02149.jpg)

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-v/vandl2-k.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 26, 2014, 07:33:56 pm
What a violent end - I'm sorry the officers and crew didn't get off in time, that makes it a much worse tragedy.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 29, 2014, 06:57:56 pm
From the log-book starting 3-February-18898

Instruments:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_004_1.jpg

Armament:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_005_0.jpg

Deviation of the Standard Compass No 13859 on board
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_005_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on November 30, 2014, 04:45:57 pm
Pages cut out between the first and second pages of observations in the new log book.  Obviously done at the time as there is no gap in the recording.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_006_1.jpg

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-D6JJqCJ/0/M/i-D6JJqCJ-M.jpg)

edit to add:
on 24 March 1889 in the same log book, more complete pages have been cut out. On one side is the 24th WRs and on the other, the 24th comments, so again, cut out at the time the log was done.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 30, 2014, 04:59:09 pm
I believe that is a gross disobedience of standing orders regarding log books.  I really do wonder what happened that they didn't want the Admirals to read.

Quote
http://seabeemagazine.navylive.dodlive.mil/files/2014/02/Chapter-3.pdf
A ship's deck log has both historical importance and legal standing. At times, it may be used in naval, admiralty, and civil courts. ...
Entries in the ship's deck log are handwritten using a black, ball-point pen. Entries must be neat and legible. Use only standard Navy phraseology. Because the log may be used as evidence in legal proceedings, do not erase an entry. If you make a mistake, draw a single line through the original entry (so that it remains legible), insert the correct entry, and place your initials in the margin

I wonder at their definition of "neat and legible".  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 03, 2014, 10:33:21 am
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 04, 2014, 06:58:00 pm
22 February 1889

At 6.55 dressed ship rainbow fashion.

At 11.20 1st 2nd & 3rd whaleboats & gig left the ship to sail a race around buoy No 5.  At noon saluting battery at the Yard fired 21 guns salute in honor of the day.

Ship's boats returned from race, 1st cutter first.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_025_1.jpg

Not sure what day they were honoring, otherwise business proceeded as usual:  many of the officers left the ship for Board of Inquiry duty, "usual routines" were performed, decks were pumped out.

edit to add:  HA HA, this was George Washington's actual birthday!  How quickly political needs fog the original reason for a holiday.  I will add this to the holiday post.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 04, 2014, 07:08:20 pm
For dressed ship rainbow fashion, see: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg82703#msg82703
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 04, 2014, 07:42:02 pm
And this is what "dressed rainbow fashion" looks like - it's the old sloop HMS Torch, like Thetis she was built in the same era.  (Unlike Thetis, she was built as a war ship and never sold to the US.)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Xi87EeczKRc/VCsKpECdK2I/AAAAAAAAA4E/vckPQxKURx0/w627-h470-no/HMS%2BTorch%2Bsloop%2Bdressed%2Boverall.jpeg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 04, 2014, 07:51:40 pm
I think the ships should be rainbow dressed daily - it looks so festive and well-maintained!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 11, 2014, 08:57:10 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 11, 2014, 09:19:42 pm
 ;D  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1017.gif)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 11, 2014, 10:17:09 pm
Thank you AvastMH.  I am really enjoying my travels on Thetis  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 11, 2014, 11:43:02 pm
It is a grand ship with a fine pedigree of journeys.   :D

(BTW - please feel welcome to use my real name, Joan, if you wish. :) )
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 12, 2014, 02:39:20 am
There are a few pictures of the Thetis and crew here: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic/rediscover/gallery_display.php
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 12, 2014, 03:55:47 am
That link doesn't have any specific ship built in - go view the gallery first and then choose the Thetis from the list to display.
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic/rediscover/gallery_view.php

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 12, 2014, 10:08:08 am
Just posted in Unalga1 discussion that many of the Thetis photos include washing out to dry on the line to the bowsprit. Makes me laugh and laugh. They must have been the cleanest crew on the ocean waves, surely. ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 12, 2014, 03:53:16 pm
I have quite a few years to catch up with those photos - I am only in 1889!  But I do not think much will change - the laundry and the fresh water process are probably timeless.  She is certainly a handsome ship but I am struggling with how fragile she looks amongst the ice.  Looks like a few other OW ships are in the index too - Bear, Perry, Unalga at least.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 12, 2014, 06:34:36 pm
The strength (or lack there of) in arctic ships is all out of sight in the hull.  They must be reinforced and/or made as double hulls to survive ice, but their masts and sails remain structured to use and deal with light winds, same as warm water ships.


Quote
http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Thetis/USRC_Thetis.htm
(Thetis, Greek sea-nymph of mythology)

Type and Characteristics: Barque/Bark-rigged steam cutter, built by Alexander Stephen & Son, Dundee, Scotland as sealer and whaler, hull reinforced for light ice operations, launched 1881, 1,250 tons displacement, 188ft 6in long x 29ft beam x 17ft 10in draft, compound-expansion steam engine, one propeller. Commissioned in Revenue Cutter Service 3 March 1899, armed with 3-3pdr rapid fire guns, complement not known.

Meaning she could not be sent out in deep winter as a heavy ice-breaker without getting broken herself, but she did survive lighter ice and act as an ice-breaker to get out frailer ships who got caught in new ice when they didn't leave soon enough in the autumn.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 12, 2014, 08:05:11 pm
I recall that we discovered the strengthening of the hull on the Jeannette ready for her polar expedition, given it took well over a year for her to finally succumb to the artic pack ice (and allowing for those occasional leaks)- it was an impressive hull.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-j/jeanette.htm  :

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/cScDqL.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 13, 2014, 12:24:49 am
Compare with the cross-section of the Fram here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram#mediaviewer/File:Fram_1893-1896_engineering_drawing.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 13, 2014, 02:07:37 am
Oh yes, those cross braces must add quite a bit of strength relative to the Fram. 

I assume the coal bunkers on all the ships are below the water line - do they fill them with salt water as the coal is burned? 

Also, I am wondering about wood as the primary structural material.  Obviously, it was the material at hand initially and relatively easy to work, but putting aside the clear shortcomings (worms and rot), is wood a good material because of its flexibility under stress?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 13, 2014, 04:55:31 am
Since virtually all war and civilian ships today are built of steel, I'd have to say that is the superior material.

I'm guessing here completely, but these wood ships were all built in the 19th century, and the mere idea of steel clad ships was brand new in the 1860s with the USS Monitor and CSS Virginia.  Wiki says the first war ship built (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironclad_warship#Armor_and_construction) with primarily steel construction was 1876.  Thesis was launched in 1881.

There are 2 parts to greatly changing ideas of building anything.  The first is finding a brilliant engineer with the idea.  The second is convincing lots of sober conservative bankers to fund major use of the inventive idea.  Logically speaking from a landlubber's POV, believing steel can float might have taken quite a bit of work to convince them.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 13, 2014, 02:51:49 pm
Compare with the cross-section of the Fram here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram#mediaviewer/File:Fram_1893-1896_engineering_drawing.jpg

Well those are two very different approaches. I think I prefer the Fram...the layout reminds me of the strength inherent in egg shells...looks to spread pressures evenly around the system, whereas the Jeannette could transfer pressures through to a limited number of points. :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 16, 2014, 02:11:19 pm
The key to the Fram's design is that the sea ice would slip under the steep curve of the bilge and lift the ship up rather than attempt to resist the crush with main strength like the Jeannette and all other ships up to then (and some after - the Endurance for example). The Maud was similar to the Fram but bigger and not as famous.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 16, 2014, 03:00:53 pm
Thanks, Kevin!
That sounds like a more logical approach ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maud_%28ship%29
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 16, 2014, 05:29:29 pm
Whew - the problem I am having is rabbit holes that are opening up all around me.  So many hints of interesting things I do not know - I want to explore each of them further - here we add ship design and the Fram.  But I need to go back to listening to my audio book about Jeanette and googling the history of two more senior officers mentioned in my ship's logs.  Oh, I want to know more about the Mare Island shipyard too - that is the part of the country where I grew up.  I hope I do not have to give up transcribing in order to do all this other investigation!   :P ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 16, 2014, 05:41:36 pm
Welcome to the history-loving end of OW.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 16, 2014, 09:14:54 pm
The key to the Fram's design is that the sea ice would slip under the steep curve of the bilge and lift the ship up rather than attempt to resist the crush with main strength like the Jeannette and all other ships up to then (and some after - the Endurance for example). The Maud was similar to the Fram but bigger and not as famous.

Thanks, Kevin!
That sounds like a more logical approach ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maud_%28ship%29

Oh I see - I hadn't spotted that difference Kevin. Golly gosh - I'm learning sooo much- and those two articles from wiki about the Fram and Maud were good too - thanks Randi.  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 16, 2014, 09:38:58 pm
Whew - the problem I am having is rabbit holes that are opening up all around me.  So many hints of interesting things I do not know - I want to explore each of them further - here we add ship design and the Fram.  But I need to go back to listening to my audio book about Jeanette and googling the history of two more senior officers mentioned in my ship's logs.  Oh, I want to know more about the Mare Island shipyard too - that is the part of the country where I grew up.  I hope I do not have to give up transcribing in order to do all this other investigation!   :P ;D


Oh I do know what you mean Kookaburra! So much. I spent two weeks researching the Jeannette..and cried through most of it. But at the end of that I found William Melville's prophetic words - that reverberate to us across the many years...

'The scientific value of the work accomplished by these men, living and dead, can only be estimated after their observations have been compiled and computed, compared and applied - all of which will involve years of patient toil.'

Don't you just love this project? ;) :D

(PS - William Melville became Chief Engineer in the US Navy and instigated the use of the triple screw propeller as a standard for all ships. Enough history I say - enough  :) )
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 17, 2014, 07:43:28 pm
Don't you just love this project? ;) :D

(PS - William Melville became Chief Engineer in the US Navy and instigated the use of the triple screw propeller as a standard for all ships. Enough history I say - enough  :) )
You did it to me again!  Now I need to find out about Mr. Melville and the fancy propeller!

Yes, I do love learning all this new stuff.   :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 17, 2014, 08:08:08 pm
You are an OWaholic ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 17, 2014, 08:13:07 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 17, 2014, 10:07:39 pm
A true OWaholic for sure.  And it is George Melville you need to look for.  ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Melville
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 17, 2014, 10:26:20 pm
Doh!  Whoopsie - apologies to all Melvilles  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 17, 2014, 10:30:32 pm
And it is George Melville you need to look for.  ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Melville
Oh, I will be hearing more about him in my Jeannette book then.  It amazes me how small a world the navy was in those day - the characters show themselves over and over again in different contexts.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on December 21, 2014, 06:21:42 pm
For the third time in the same log book I have found cut pages - and I am only half way through the book!  In this case, you can clearly see that the pages cut were already written upon:

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-W6Fjckv/0/M/i-W6Fjckv-M.jpg)

30 April 1889
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_092_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 27, 2014, 07:52:22 am
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 31, 2014, 08:13:51 pm
January 7th 1889 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_166_1.jpg

Quote
Commenced reading Holosteric Barometer at 1pm.

That explains the sudden change in the pressure on the previous page. - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_166_0.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on January 01, 2015, 01:31:46 am
Holosteric??!! Oh, thank goodness its the same as an aneroid.
http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Holosteric_barometer
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 01, 2015, 09:04:45 am
Oh good, it wasn't just me that hadn't heard of it!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 04, 2015, 07:19:51 pm
jil
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 04, 2015, 07:21:26 pm
jil passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 05, 2015, 08:52:48 pm
25% done!  Thetis is on her way to the finish line :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 05, 2015, 10:48:02 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 06, 2015, 04:14:10 pm
 8) Well done!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 08, 2015, 09:22:05 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 08, 2015, 09:23:28 pm
jil passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 11, 2015, 07:59:21 pm
jil passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 13, 2015, 08:21:07 pm
5 July 1889 off Point Hope, Alaska

At 12.44 stopped the ship and lowered dinghy to bring off a polar bear shot by the officers.

 :( >:( :( :o :( :'(

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_158_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 13, 2015, 08:53:05 pm
Times have changed.
Think of all the birds Audubon killed :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 13, 2015, 09:36:36 pm
Oh, I know.  Think of all of the samples of  extinct birds stocked in drawers in natural history museums the world over.

My uncle had a polar bear rug that he claimed he shot himself while in Alaska in the Coast Guard.  He was a big story teller though, so he may have just purchased it.  That would have been in the mid 1960s.  As a youngster I had mixed feelings of fear and attraction to the claws and teeth!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 16, 2015, 02:48:13 pm
27th April 1889 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_089_1.jpg

Quote
Commenced reading Mercurial Barometer

Presumably between 6 and 7am when the pressure goes from 30.95 to 29.95!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_089_0.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 16, 2015, 03:17:27 pm
Yes, they are definitely having consistency problems this voyage. 

Between weird and skipped readings, 7s and 9s that encompass a complete range from a straight line across the top to a full loop and the long and tedious events recordings, this trip is not quite as much fun as last summer.  Not sure what is due to the change in command and what to the change in log keeper.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 16, 2015, 04:46:59 pm
I'm definitely using a lot of guesswork with the 7s and 9s!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 20, 2015, 12:08:47 pm
KookyBird (Kookaburra) passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 20, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
jil passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 20, 2015, 04:17:04 pm
 8)

Way to go, Jil.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 20, 2015, 05:15:47 pm
Thanks, Craig
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 20, 2015, 06:43:57 pm
New log book 30 July 1889

Instruments used for Meteorological Observations
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_005_1.jpg

Armament
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_006_0.jpgD

Deviations of standard compass
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_006_1.jpg

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 20, 2015, 06:55:26 pm
Congratulations on your 10000 Kookaburra!   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 20, 2015, 09:23:07 pm
Thank you Craig - it feels like a real milestone.

Now, Jil and I want cake   ;D    ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 20, 2015, 09:44:44 pm
I had a lot of trouble baking this one  ;D

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 20, 2015, 10:19:52 pm
Good job, Craig! ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 20, 2015, 10:23:37 pm
I never knew you were a master baker, Craig.  Cool ship.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 20, 2015, 10:43:44 pm
It is PERFECT!  thank you Craig.   ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 21, 2015, 12:20:23 am
I have a cousin in California who is called "The Cake Doctor". I got a few tips from him  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on January 21, 2015, 07:00:21 am
You did that yourself? WOW!

I am very impressed!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 21, 2015, 09:04:09 am
Great cake!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 21, 2015, 11:29:00 am
You did that yourself? WOW!

I am very impressed!

Just joking. I wish I could bake one like that.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 21, 2015, 07:16:22 pm
Interesting story, complete with reverberations of the 1888 adventure in rescuing the wrecked whaler crews.

29 July 1889
At 9.00 sent starboard watch in charge of Ensign Gorgas in 1st steam launch and 1st whaleboat to assist USRS "Bear" to get material for life saving station ashore.  Party returned to ship at noon after landing part of lumber for houses. . .
At 1.00 sent port watch on shore to assist in landing lumber from USRS "Bear"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol008of024/vol008_182_1.jpg

30 July 1889
At 6.00 sent working party ashore . . .
Working party on shore and on USRS "Bear" discharging coal and provisions for Refuge Station. . .
Carpenter and blacksmith assisting erecting House of Refuge. . .
Port watch working ashore in charge of Ensign Gorgas unloading provisions and materials for Relief Station from the USRS Cutter "Bear" transportation done by boats from "Wanderer" to shore towed by 1st steam launch.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_007_1.jpg

31 July 1889
At 6.00 sent starboard watch to assist in landing stores from USRS "Bear" . . .
Working party ashore working on Refuge Station . . .
Sent carpenters party ashore to assist in erecting House of Refuge
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_008_1.jpg

01 August 1889
At 2.00 steamer "Thrasher" came in from southward and anchored inshore of this vessel and commenced discharging cord wood for the Refuge Station
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_009_1.jpg

and so on.  But what is this "House of Refuge"?  Google to the rescue :)

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The oldest wood-framed building standing along Alaska's Arctic coast, the Point Barrow Refuge Station was a manned refuge station for shipwrecked whalers. After 1854, American whalers began hunting east of Point Barrow, with frequent losses of ships and men. On 2 August 1888, thirty whale ships anchored off Point Barrow were waiting for the ice pack to open so they could enter the Beaufort Sea. A gale blew up, sending ships crashing into one another and breaking up in the heavy seas. Great loss of life was avoided only because the U.S. revenue cutter Bear and the U.S.S. Thetis were nearby and rescued sailors; the value of the lost ships exceeded $100,000. That tragedy resulted in the construction of this station.
. . .
the building originally was 30 feet by 48 feet with a large central room with bunks for fifty men.
. . .
During the seven years that it functioned as a refuge station, there were no major shipwrecks to require its services. The shady business dealings of the station's first superintendent probably also contributed to the closing of the station in 1896. The next year, more than one hundred men sought shelter for eleven months at Point Barrow when four ships were crushed by ice and four others were icebound for the winter. The Pacific Steam Whaling Company, which had bought the station, had rented it to a naturalist, Edward Avery McIlhenny, for the winter; he helped shelter the shipwrecked sailors.
http://sah-archipedia.org/buildings/AK-01-NO001

Oh, how I love learning new things!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 21, 2015, 07:23:05 pm
 8) 8) 8)
I hope he got his rent refunded ::)




That would be good for "Could use some Daily Zooniverse suggestions..." ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 21, 2015, 09:15:08 pm
Great story!  Really enjoyed that  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 21, 2015, 10:34:29 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 21, 2015, 11:09:47 pm
How very interesting - disasters were fortunately widely spaced and unpredictable, but rented or not that house was a life saver.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 23, 2015, 06:19:13 pm
09 August 1889

A very distinct and clear sun dog with two eccentric semi-circles of light one true sun and one false sun on each side of the true sun, visible from 10.00 to meridian

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_017_1.jpg

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/AlcanSunbow.jpg)

Sun dogs:
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/%28Gh%29/guides/mtr/opt/ice/sd.rxml
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 23, 2015, 06:28:29 pm
Beautiful and unusual - I have never seen one of those.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 23, 2015, 06:49:37 pm
Me either!  I had never even heard of them  :)  I am getting itchy feet to go visit the arctic from this.   It must have been quite a beautiful day on the Thetis - they also had mirages and lots of ice (floes and drifting) to look at! 

Thank you for posting in Natural Phenomena -  I was not sure if this should go somewhere as it is completely due to the ice suspended in the air.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 23, 2015, 07:02:23 pm
That's a cracker! Beautiful!  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 23, 2015, 07:38:16 pm
Every unusual event in nature fits in Natural Phenomenon.  Just because we don't have a scientist chasing it doesn't make it any less beautiful or awesome. 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 26, 2015, 07:21:42 pm
15 August 1889, Herschel Island, Yukon Territory, near a native village
Executive Officer went ashore and put up a board with "USS Thetis" August 15th 1889 in brass letters on it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_023_1.jpg

This is the first time I have had anything like this at all.  Were they trying to claim the area for the US?

I did discover that 1889 was the first year of commercial whaling at Herschel Island.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 26, 2015, 11:18:54 pm
Intriguing.

Did they just happen to have a selection of brass letters on board ready for whatever this eventuality was?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 26, 2015, 11:29:50 pm
What was interesting, since they had to either have a set of brass letters or had spent a lot of time cutting them out, is that there is nothing there that included a flag or claim of ownership.  Simply a "Thetis was here" high-end graffiti.  Maybe they didn't know who the island belonged to, and were simply establishing a date of arrival that could be compared with Canada's claim of arrival.  Kind of neighbors surveying to find the property line.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 26, 2015, 11:35:18 pm
Found this - Toponomy of Hershal Island (http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic64-4-459.pdf)

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ABSTRACT. The official names for several of the features on Herschel Island are derived from the visit to the island by USS Thetis
, Lt. Cdr. Charles Stockton commanding, on 15?16 August 1889. In 24 hours, Stockton and his crew surveyed the coast
sufficiently to compile and publish a map, which included the bathymetry of Pauline Cove and the strait between the island
and the mainland, now called Workboat Passage. Stockton named features after two whaling ships that were in the vicinity
when he arrived (Orca and Thrasher), his own Thetis, his wife (Pauline Lethilhon King), three ensigns to whom he assigned
bathymetric surveys (Robert Lopez, Edward Simpson, and Rogers Wells, Jr.), two of his other officers (Lt. Arthur Osborn
and Ensign John Bell), and an officer of the Royal Navy (Capt. Sir Richard Collinson). Only one feature, Avadlek Spit, has an
Inuvialuktun official name.

And futher down the document it mentions that Thetis 'planted a marker' and there's the map they produced and more details of the names used.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 27, 2015, 12:04:44 am
Oh jil!  That is so wonderful!  I know all of those officers so well by now - and I just transcribed the ensigns heading out in the whaleboats and launches to report on the passages around the island. 

You made my day! ! ! !   ;D

ETA:
I am highly amused by the notation in the article about the spelling of Ensign Roger Wells - it is both Wells and Welles in the Thetis logs and lists of officers  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 27, 2015, 07:34:50 am
Great find, jil!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 28, 2015, 12:49:39 am
Ooops!  The Thetis is spending huge amounts of time ramming ice and trying to open paths.  I assume the "native boats" have much smaller draught and can get through iced over areas.

Natives visiting ship.  After their boat had left, one of their number was found on board.

The crew was busy elsewhere
From 8 until 11.30 attempted to work ship out of a hole into a clear lead about 100 yards ahead.  Did not succeed and at 11.30 moored ship with two quarter lines to ice anchor.

23 August 1889
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_031_1.jpg

Hopefully he will make it home tomorrow!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 28, 2015, 03:11:54 am
Unless your stowaway wants to join the Thetis' crew.  ;)

Native boats could be dragged over ice like a sledge, with all the gear and trade goods still packed inside.
Quote
http://www.adn.com/article/20090215/alaska-natives-thrived-coming-white-man
Homo sapiens have lived and prospered in Alaska for at least 10,000 years. Very resourceful people had advanced cultures and economies here when Europeans were huddling in caves drawing on the walls with burnt sticks.
...
Great boats: In the north, Alaska's Native people developed boats that met three criteria. The boat's frame could be built from local trees, bushes and driftwood. The covering was from animal skins. And the completed boat was man-portable and could be dragged across the land or ice.

Now, thousands of years later, no one has improved upon the design and shape of the kayak. There is simply no other vessel in history or in the world that is so capable of taking one to three people safely out to sea. And these boats are fast and easily driven.

The larger, open skin boats, often called umiaks, could carry a dozen or more people, plus cargo, and still be moved across the ice or up onto shore. The kayaks and umiaks were designed to flex in a seaway and thus avoid the frame-breaking stress that plagues any boat longer than the space between waves. In timber country, huge tree trunks were hollowed out, steamed and spread to make magnificent ocean capable boats that made ocean voyages of more than a thousand miles. In these great boats, early Alaskans raided and traded down the coast perhaps as far as San Francisco Bay. They were this continent's equivalent of the Vikings of Europe.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 30, 2015, 06:40:48 pm
jil passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 30, 2015, 10:31:23 pm
07 Sept 1889

At 7.15 stopped and spoke schooner "Jane Gray" Captain Kelly.  The schooner crew cheered the "Thetis" whereupon we manned fore rigging & cheered the "Jane Gray"

A very heartwarming reunion :)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_046_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 30, 2015, 10:33:30 pm
Great!
(I bet you were cheering too ;))
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 31, 2015, 10:02:05 am
That's a great way to say 'Hi' to old friends!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on January 31, 2015, 04:04:58 pm
Yes, it did bring a small tear to my eye and a big smile to my face.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on February 01, 2015, 09:47:57 pm
16 September 1889

Transferred the following stores to the whaling station at this place, viz: - 440 lbs bread, 96 lbs beer, 48 lbs roast beef, 17 gals beans, 1/2 bbl flour, 1 bbl rice, 25 lbs dried fruits, 40 lbs cocoa, 50 lbs tomatoes, 1/2 bbl salt pork, 1 ~ pickles, 64 lbs vegetables, 25 lbs coffee, 69 lbs bacon, 27 lbs butter and 1 bbl sugar.  These stores are intended for the men of two shipwrecked whalers who are in this vicinity - but out of reach of this ship, and who have announced their intention of wintering here, there being insufficient stores at the station for their subsistence.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_055_1.jpg

I am imagining a winter at the whaling station pictured here:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/540/drswhB.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 06, 2015, 06:43:38 pm
eikwar passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 08, 2015, 02:36:14 pm
Message in a tin case - 16th August 1889 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_024_1.jpg

Quote
At 3.30 threw over board a block of hard wood (2ft x 9in x 4in) marked * THETIS AUGUST 16 FOR DRIFT 1889 containing in a tin case a letter to be forwarded to the Navy Department nearest Hydrographic Office, or the Commanding Officer of the Thetis by the finder. Ship's position at the time:- SE Bluff of Herschel Island bearing S 7/8 W (mag) NW Bluff Herschel Island SW 1/2 S (mag) and sounded in 80 fathoms water.

I wonder if it was ever found?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 08, 2015, 02:49:28 pm
It doesn't mention finding them but requests to look out for the floats!
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1762201?seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/26005/page/7473/data.pdf
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on February 08, 2015, 05:38:09 pm
You will be seeing several of those dropped in the water over the next few days Jil.  I too wonder how many of them were returned for reporting.   The invention of GPs allows for much more reliable tracking, but the romance of a marker tossed over the side, with high hopes, is lost. 
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 08, 2015, 07:06:27 pm
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 70,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 08, 2015, 07:07:49 pm
jil passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on February 08, 2015, 08:35:14 pm
WOOT WOOT   ::)  Congrats to both of you.

What date have you reached lollia paolina?  I know there are many years of logs for this ship.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 08, 2015, 09:54:13 pm
Well done Captain!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on February 12, 2015, 10:23:20 pm
17 Oct 1889, Sitka, Alaska; off for a spa weekend

At 12.45 the 1st launch Lieut Osborn in charge; Paymaster JQ LOvell and Asst Surgeon GB Wilson passengers, left the ship for the hot springs to be absent two days.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_086_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 13, 2015, 04:32:14 pm
 :D Hope they got suitably pampered!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on February 13, 2015, 07:06:35 pm
21 Oct 1889, Sitka, Alaska

And some crew did not take as well to the environs of Sitka:

A US Deputy Marshal came onboard with warrants from the US Commissioner on shore for the arrest of WM Plummer (OS) and WC Morgan (OS) charging them with disturbing the peace and destruction of private property, and D Berger (QM) charged with assault and battery.  Sent Plummer & Berger ashore to appear before the Commissioner, Morgan absent without leave.  D Berger (QM) returned onboard and reported that he had been found "not guilty" and had been discharged.
 . . .
At 3.50 the US Marshall delivered on board WM Plummer (OS) and WC Morgan (OS) who had been tried by the US Commissioner on charged as above mentioned and found guilty and fined.  By order of the Commanding Officer paid the US Marshall $17.72 the amount of WM Plummer's fine to be charged to his account.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_090_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 13, 2015, 07:37:39 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 13, 2015, 07:54:58 pm
They really could have done with some chill out time at the hot springs!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 18, 2015, 07:00:18 pm
jil hits the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 19, 2015, 12:15:39 am
Good aim, Jil  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 19, 2015, 09:19:35 am
Thanks Craig, but it's very easy when they always have 24 WR per day (even for several months at the Mare Island Navy Yard).

Unfortunately, it does make me stop transcribing for a little while as I don't want to spoil the nice round number  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 28, 2015, 09:00:45 pm
jil passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on February 28, 2015, 09:41:01 pm
I see a trend here - Jil must be good at math!  Congrats to a fellow crew member  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 28, 2015, 11:16:37 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 03, 2015, 04:20:52 pm
23rd Dec 1889 Navy Yard Mare Island - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_153_1.jpg

Quote
At 7.10 a small boat containing 9 men from the USFC Steamer Albatross swamped ahead of this ship, five men were rescued by our 3rd whale-boat as they drifted by. The 4th whale-boat was lowered and sent to assist, but failed to find any men, the tide was running very strong ebb and the men drifted astern very rapidly.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 03, 2015, 04:32:15 pm
That really brings home the danger in a sailor's life.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 03, 2015, 04:58:34 pm
I don't think Albatross has worked up to 1889 yet.  They have a terrible day waiting for them there.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 03, 2015, 07:42:57 pm
I was hoping they might have been picked up by someone else but ....

Four men drowned (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18891225.2.59.3) from Daily Alta California
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 03, 2015, 08:00:21 pm
Very sad, especially at Christmas.



Here is the Albatross 23 Dec 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_181_1.jpg) page.

Searching for the bodies:
Albatross 24 Dec 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_182_1.jpg), Albatross 25 Dec 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_183_1.jpg), Albatross 26 Dec 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_184_1.jpg), Albatross 27 Dec 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_185_1.jpg) ...
they continued to search in January, but not every day:
Albatross 9 Jan 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol021of055/vol021of055_014_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 05, 2015, 06:01:41 pm
For some time now (I can't remember when it started) J. Gardiner (Sea) has been 'confined for safe-keeping' overnight. Did anyone spot what he'd done to deserve/require this?

One example, 29th Dec 1889 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_159_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 05, 2015, 06:25:27 pm
He hasn't been mentioned in the forum before this, but it has happened on Thetis before:

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3410.msg65233#msg65233
Speer, Richard   Ordinary Seaman   escaped from the brig where he had been placed for safe keeping. 17 Mar 1887

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3410.msg97237#msg97237
C Briggs (Lds) Confined for safe-keeping. 20 Dec 1888

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3410.msg100161#msg100161
JM Cummingham   sea   Placed n confinement for safe keeping by order of Commanding Officer 04 June 1889

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3410.msg102388#msg102388
1 Sept 1889, Point Barrow, Alaska
At 9.45 Eugene Dunken (2nd C F) attempted suicide by cutting his throat with a knife while confined in brig for safekeeping;  during the remainder of watch he remained in the pilot-house carefully guarded.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 05, 2015, 06:26:10 pm
Seems to have started or resumed when they docked at Mare Island: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_143_1.jpg, but I didn't see any explanation.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 05, 2015, 08:16:53 pm
He may be in danger to himself only when in port - but will not do whatever on duty during the day.  Which indicates to me he isn't in danger of running off and never coming back.  Maybe a chronic binge drinker who doesn't much mind being saved from himself? 

Just guessing
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 06, 2015, 06:53:12 pm
Force 9
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 06, 2015, 06:54:18 pm
Force 9 passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 06, 2015, 07:25:09 pm
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 06, 2015, 07:30:21 pm
Update on Mr. Gardiner - now confined in 'single irons to await trial by Court Martial'. So perhaps they were worried he'd do a runner to avoid trial.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_166_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 06, 2015, 07:34:16 pm
There must be many reasons for confining for "safe keeping".  Makes me want to know the back stories of all the men Thetis listed as doing this to.  Very interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 06, 2015, 07:45:34 pm
Went back as far as http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_133_1.jpg.

This seems to be the start: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_137_1.jpg
Quote
7 Dec 1889
Placed J. Gardiner (Sea) and J.Murphy (C.F.C) in confinement by order of Commanding Officer, to await further action, for being under the infulence of liquor and fighting.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_139_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 06, 2015, 07:48:26 pm
I got that link.  But why the court martial, that they let him go on duty during the day?  What did he do and what were the consequences?

Curiosity is raging.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 06, 2015, 07:57:15 pm
I wondered about daytime too. Maybe there were enough people around to keep an eye on him :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 06, 2015, 08:03:23 pm
At 10.20 sent J. Gardiner (Sea) in charge of Master-at-Arms to appear for trial before General Court Martial in session in Navy Yard.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_169_1.jpg

Still don't know why.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 06, 2015, 08:04:53 pm
See my post above ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3017.msg104825#msg104825
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 06, 2015, 10:50:53 pm
Sorry Randi, not paying attention there  :-[
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 08, 2015, 07:26:57 pm
jil passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on March 09, 2015, 12:31:59 am
That's why you weren't paying attention, jil. Too busy transcribing!  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 09, 2015, 01:17:57 pm
Good excuse Craig, I should have thought of that. ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 09, 2015, 01:34:39 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 11, 2015, 10:24:18 am
Hi - many thanks for the congrats on 750... amazed at how quickly it happened and I certainly didn't seem to be doing very much.  Not quite sure what the top 12 is but it sounds nice.  Re the queries about J Gardiner, I did transcribe the log on 7 December 1889 when he and the infamous J Murphy (always in trouble) were confined for being under the influence of liquor and fighting and then more logs recording his ongoing confinement each night at 6pm, then release the following day around 7am as a 'prisoner at large' pending his court martial- but because I seem to be third transcriber, I assumed it would have been recorded in the Forum.  Will check in future.  Gale
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 11, 2015, 10:56:26 am
Thanks, Gale.

The "top 12" are the only transcribers of each ship whose usernames and WR counts we can see on the ship pages. 
http://www.oldweather.org/ships/500dc361cd0db40002000025
The "and 191 more..." on the bottom are all carefully recorded and credited in the main database, but we can never see them.  That you are there means you decided to stick with Thetis long enough to be among her 12 most productive transcribers.  It is worthy of congratulations, or at least the other transcribers think so.  :)

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 14, 2015, 10:31:05 am
4 January 1890
At 10.30am the charges and specifications preferred by the Hon. Sec of Navy against Jas Gardiner (Sea) were delivered by the Judge Advocate of the Court.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_165_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 14, 2015, 12:26:45 pm
Things are heating up!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 14, 2015, 01:10:27 pm
Force 9 passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 14, 2015, 02:12:35 pm
Well done Gale! For the 1000 and spotting the Judge Advocate entry (I'd missed that one).
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 15, 2015, 09:29:15 am
He seems very compliant, being locked up and released each day.  The ship is in dry dock and crew are going AWOL and overstaying leave every day but Seaman Gardiner is seemingly behaving himself. Hopefully we finally find out what he did to be charged... great incentive to keep transcribing  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 15, 2015, 09:45:39 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 15, 2015, 10:11:55 am
5 January 1890
Confined J. Gardiner (Sea) in single irons to await trial by Court Martial.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_166_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 16, 2015, 11:12:49 am
11 January 1890
Transferred Jas Gardiner (Sea) ? a Court Martial prisoner to the US R.S ?Independence?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_172_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 20, 2015, 09:59:54 am
The Thetis is still in dry dock but hopefully the new stores received might mean she is leaving soon.

28 January 1890

Transferred to the General Storekeeper for storage the following articles in Paymaster Department, ~ - 64 boxes vegetables; 13 boxes Ham; 1 box sausage; 4 boxes corn beef; 18 boxes roast beef; 23 boxes coffee; 1 box cocoa; 6 " Dried Fruit; 1 box butter; 15 boxes tomatoes; 4 chests tea; 13 boxes Hominy; 13 boxes corn meal and 10 boxes oatmeal
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 20, 2015, 11:39:51 am
Just a note that the last four columns have been left blank http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_193_0.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 20, 2015, 12:09:12 pm
At least the dock crew got the instrument readings.

When a ship is in dry dock, it is common to give the crew leave and the dock crew has men on board to stand watch and record the weather.  So skips and missed columns like this are more common.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 20, 2015, 12:59:39 pm
Not sure, but it sounds like those stores were removed from the ship rather than received by the ship :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 20, 2015, 09:36:24 pm
Oh my... of course the stores were going the other way.  I think my excitement about setting off north clouded my senses  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 21, 2015, 05:45:34 am
Hi - these pages seem to be some sort of scanning log (half a page each).  I wasn't sure if anything was required but hit "I've finished with this page" in order to move on.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol010of024/vol010_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol010of024/vol010_001_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on March 21, 2015, 05:54:09 am
This is the front page of a new log book.  Apart from admiring it  ::) - especially the fancy handwriting - does anything need to be done ?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol010of024/vol010_003_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 21, 2015, 07:06:30 am
Nope ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 22, 2015, 06:58:28 pm
Force 9 passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 22, 2015, 11:58:49 pm
Excellent work!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on March 24, 2015, 06:53:28 pm
Hello from the USS Patterson (about 15 years on from your 'now' admittedly!)  :D

'An Officer of the RC Thetis paid an official visit to the commanding officer. Returned to the RC Thetis  shoe for their gig received from commanding officer of Bering Sea Fleet.'
USS Patterson 17/11/1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6412_1.jpg

Anyone know what a shoe for a gig is please?  :-\ :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on March 24, 2015, 07:36:07 pm
Well a gig is some kind of small boat, so I wonder whether a shoe is a fixing of some sort, which enables the gig to be kept safely (and not end up overboard .....)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on March 24, 2015, 08:27:17 pm
I shouldn't make a joke about walking on water using your gig shoes should I?  :-[ ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 24, 2015, 09:20:16 pm
Well, whatever it is, a big (and advanced) thank you from the Thetis!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 25, 2015, 07:18:30 am
Quote
the shoe for the gig probably refers to a keel shoe - a sacrificial plate on the bottom of the keel sometimes called a worm shoe or mud shoe; can be wood, iron, or brass.  - Kevin
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on March 25, 2015, 06:31:04 pm
Wow - that's fascinating - and makes perfect sense - thanks Randi and Kevin :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 28, 2015, 07:11:09 pm
30% complete - woooo hooooo!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 29, 2015, 08:00:16 pm
jil passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on April 01, 2015, 07:51:44 pm
Wow jil! Great going! ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on April 01, 2015, 07:52:34 pm
Hi there Thetis - from the Patterson!  ;D

1st April 1914. 101 Years ago today:
U.S.C.R. Thetis moored to Naval Wharf No1 between 8 and 9

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6469_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on April 01, 2015, 08:06:04 pm
Hello again!  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 05, 2015, 07:57:42 pm
jil passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on April 06, 2015, 10:15:25 am
Hi jil - I go away for a fortnight and your fingers have been flying.  Congratulations on reaching 10,000!!  Gale
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Post by: Craig on April 06, 2015, 11:27:47 am
Way to go, JIL.  8) 8) 8)
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Post by: Hanibal94 on April 06, 2015, 02:46:44 pm
Great job, Jil! You're doing great.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on April 06, 2015, 04:37:43 pm
Thanks all!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on April 06, 2015, 06:35:02 pm
Woohoo! - five figure fingers jil - 'way to go' as they say across the Pond  ;) :D!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on April 10, 2015, 07:24:22 am
Ah.. some action on the Thetis besides maintenance  :)

By order of Commanding Officer confined M. McCarthy (Mach) in the cell on bread and water for two (2) days for leaving ship without permission.

At 7.10p.m F. O'Neil (B.Smith) fell overboard from the forecastle and had to be rescued.  He was under the influence of liquor.  By order of Commanding Officer confined F. O'Neil (B. Smith) for safe keeping.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol010of024/vol010_038_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 10, 2015, 07:34:04 am
"Confined for safe keeping" certainly applies here in the literal sense! ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on April 10, 2015, 08:03:07 am
I have to admit, I had a bit of a chuckle imaging him 'yahooing' and carrying on, on the forecastle.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on April 11, 2015, 03:32:27 am
And now a drunken bugler... and whilst on duty - does this mean blowing away on the bugle?  What a hoot  :)

By order of Commanding Officer confined J. Dundas (Bugler) in solitary confinement on bread and water for five days for drunkenness on duty.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol010of024/vol010_041_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 20, 2015, 06:32:51 pm
Force 9 passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on April 20, 2015, 06:39:46 pm
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on April 22, 2015, 10:57:08 am
Thank you jil.  Slow but steady !!  I was away from home and working off my little laptop, using the mobile phone hotspot to connect in an area that has very poor internet.  I was so hoping if I kept plugging along the ship might leave the Navy Yard but between my internet connection and the ship maintenance, very little happened.  How far ahead are you and have you sailed?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on April 22, 2015, 09:35:15 pm
That's very dedicated struggling with poor internet! I'm also away now but at the moment wifi running well  :) so I might manage some transcribing.

I'm afraid they are still in the Navy Yard and I've got up to 29th May.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on April 23, 2015, 08:12:13 am
Oh dear... I am mid April so many many more WR's to go in the Navy Yard...but I think someone else must be 3rd transcribing as well because it jumps ahead several days sometimes.  Can you let us know when you do leave and where to... might help me find myself when the time comes to steam out...
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 06, 2015, 04:23:48 pm
The good news is we've finally made it to sea. The bad news is it's 12th July. There have been quite a lot of men absent without leave and/or under the affluence on incohol to give the logs a bit of interest. No idea where we're going yet.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 10, 2015, 08:08:05 pm
Well we went South and ended up (on 27th July) anchored off San Jose, Guatemala.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on May 17, 2015, 03:20:26 pm
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 17, 2015, 04:32:34 pm
Amazing work, Captain!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 18, 2015, 04:43:28 pm
Thetis on diplomatic mission - 18th August 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_009_1.jpg)

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Sen. Galindo Salvadorian Envoy & servant were received on board at request of American Minister to be transported to Acajutla.

A bit more info about this here (http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Message_from_the_President_of_the_United_States_Transmitting_in_1000559655/7)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on May 18, 2015, 06:52:26 pm
Thanks for the link - quite a tale!
Rather confusing with all the OCR errors, though.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 27, 2015, 08:29:27 pm
24th Sept 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_046_1.jpg)
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James Smith (1st CF) was found under the influence of liquor and was grossly insolent to the Chief Engineer. James Slade (Cox) was found drunk while in charge of boat. By order of Commanding Officer placed both men in double irons for safe keeping until sober.
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At 10.30 found that the catamaran had been stolen from ship and sent 2nd whaleboat to find it. At 11.50 the whaleboat returned having failed to find catamaran.

It turned out to be an inside job - 25th Sept 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_047_1.jpg)
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By order of Commanding Officer placed in confinement James Reilly(OS), C. Thorson (Mach) & R.J. Orsen (2nd CF) in double irons for safe keeping to await investigation, having taken the catamaran without permission during the night and returning in the same at 5.40am. J. Reilly (OS) drunk and disorderly, C. Thorson (Mach) drunk and R.J. Orsen (2nd CF) sober

They are anchored off Acapulco which seems to be a bit too tempting!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on May 27, 2015, 10:50:44 pm
That's a great story jil  ;D Can you imagine trying to control a catamaran when you're a tad more than one-over-the-eight. The Captain was lucky not to get it back as matchsticks  I reckon :o :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on May 28, 2015, 06:03:12 am
I found this mention of the Thetis recently

It   is   only   four   months   since   the
Floating Christian Endeavor Committee
organized a Floating Christian Endeavor
on  that  ship  (the Thetis).  Since  that
time the drunken brawls that had been
so  frequent  on  board  and  ashore  have
become a thing of the past, and in their
places are substituted prayer meetings
and  revivals.  I  have  been  twenty-eight
years at sea in the darkest scenes of vice
with  which  a  sailor  is  surrounded,  and
I  am  convinced  that  the  exhortations
of  the  members  of  the  society  are  of
wonderful influence - sufficient to soften
any heart and inclining the hardest sailor
to mend his ways.

I am not sure of the date of this but probably in the early 1900s.  The sailors had to sign a pledge not to swear or drink and displayed a round CE badge to show their commitment to the floating christian endeavour.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on May 28, 2015, 07:37:22 am
Interesting!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 28, 2015, 09:02:51 am
Thanks for that, Hurlock. They definitely need to sign the pledge!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 30, 2015, 09:24:44 pm
In lieu of signing the pledge they were later punished - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_057_1.jpg
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Read the following sentences of the Summary Court Martial held on this ship Sep 27th, 29th, 30th and Oct 1st of which Lt. A.P. Osborn USN was Senior member, approved by the Commanding Officer Oct 3rd, excepting somuch of the sentence as relates to the loss of pay which are referred to the Hon. Sec. of the Navy - R.J. Orsen (2nd CF) reduced to Coal-heaver and loss of one months pay amounting to thirty-one(31) dollars. James Reilly (OS) solitary confinement double irons ten days. Extra police[?] duties one month and loss of one month's pay amounting to nineteen(19) dollars. Carl Thorsen (Mach) reduced to First class Fireman and loss of one month's pay amounting to seventy (70) dollars. Quarterly Board of Survey Lt. G.W. Denfeld USN Senior Member, condemned 2 lbs cranberries and by order of Commanding Officer, threw cranberries overboard.
not sure what the cranberries crime was  ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on June 14, 2015, 06:57:05 pm
Bringing out the big guns? Mare Island 6th Dec 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_119_1.jpg)

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At 12.30PM the US Flagship Charleston flying the flag of Acting R-Adml. George Brown on approaching the Navy Yard saluted the flag of R-Adml. A.E.K. Benham with 13 guns which salute was returned by the Navy Yard shore battery with 11 guns.

BTW - James Reilly(see above) has been absent without leave for several days.  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on June 16, 2015, 08:25:54 am
Mr. Reilly graces us with his presence! http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_122_1.jpg
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J. Reilly (OS) returned on board 8 1/4 days overtime and by order of Commanding Officer was placed in double irons until sober.

Next day - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_123_1.jpg
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By order of Commanding Officer released from confinement in double irons James Reilly (OS) at 9.30AM and placed him on the 4th conduct class.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on June 16, 2015, 11:16:23 am
 ;D ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on June 17, 2015, 10:04:37 pm
More catamaran 'borrowing'! 15th Dec 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_128_1.jpg)
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During the night S. Hansen (Sea) left the ship without permission in the ship's catamaran and returned at 5.50am under the influence of liquor; By order of Commanding Officer placed them both in double-irons for safe keeping and to await investigation

And at 1pm USFC Str. Albatross hauled alongside and secured to this ship - Hello there!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on June 17, 2015, 10:10:46 pm
 ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_174_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on June 17, 2015, 10:41:54 pm
There we are!  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 11, 2015, 09:17:51 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_039_1.jpg

At the end of a long lost of stores - '2 feather dusters'. Glad to see they're going to be keeping the ship neat and tidy!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 20, 2015, 12:16:03 pm
35% complete  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 20, 2015, 04:23:12 pm
1st May 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_073_1.jpg
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Received from the Navy Yard 300 bricks for surveying purposes.
???
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on July 20, 2015, 04:28:04 pm
For throwing at the bears?  ???
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 20, 2015, 07:03:03 pm
A replacement for sounding leads?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on July 20, 2015, 09:39:26 pm
For building survey towers on shore?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 20, 2015, 10:06:29 pm
I can't wait to find out what they get used for!

Meanwhile a change of command causes a bit of pointless bureaucracy? http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_074_1.jpg

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In conformity with par. 4 chap. X, US Navy Regulations, all persons rated by Lieut-Com'nd'r. Chas. H. Stockton, were reduced to the rates they held at the time of joining his ship, and were immediately appointed to the same rates by Com'nd'r Geo. C. Reiter.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 20, 2015, 10:16:48 pm
We've seen this happen a number of times - finally an explanation ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on July 21, 2015, 06:57:52 am
You're lucky it's only mentioned like this. :)
Multiple times this has happened on Yorktown, where every man involved was named, twice.
Once for being disrated and once for being reinstated to previous rank.
Those are very nice pages to transcribe, over 200 names on a page.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 21, 2015, 09:33:33 am
You're lucky it's only mentioned like this. :)
Multiple times this has happened on Yorktown, where every man involved was named, twice.
Once for being disrated and once for being reinstated to previous rank.
Those are very nice pages to transcribe, over 200 names on a page.
:o
Really glad they didn't! I've only just started making a note of all the crew names mentioned with this log book (now we have some nice clear writing  :) ) and 200 names on one page would have made me regret that decision!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on July 21, 2015, 10:39:03 am
:o
Really glad they didn't! I've only just started making a note of all the crew names mentioned with this log book (now we have some nice clear writing  :) ) and 200 names on one page would have made me regret that decision!

And I'm real thankful the Pioneer never did that either! I would have lost my mind!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 22, 2015, 06:14:14 pm
6th May 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_078_1.jpg)
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By order of the Commandant of the Navy Yard turned over Frank Burton (OS) to the army authorities he having declared himself to be Frank Elgan, a deserted from Company C, 4th US Infantry
:o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 22, 2015, 06:32:52 pm
Sounds like he didn't like the Navy either ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 02, 2015, 08:54:08 am
28th June 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_134_1.jpg)
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At 2.10 stopped engine and sent Lt. Almy to board the sealing schooner Albert Walter with President's Proclamation of June 15th 1891 together with letter of warning
Also several similar visits to other ships. Found mention in San Francisco Call (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18910616.2.27#) about the proclamation. Agreement with the Government of her Britannic Majesty to put controls on fur seal fisheries in Bering Sea 'For the purpose of avoiding irritating differences'
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The Navy Department has been advised of the progress and necessities of the case, and orders are now in preparation for the immediate dispatch of probably two naval vessels from San Francisco to Alaska, where they will assist the revenue cutters in the task of driving off poaching sealing vessels
and near the end of the article an actual name check  :)
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ORDERS TO THE REVENUE CUTTERS. The following portion of the orders was not given in tho published statement: "Before sailing to get orders from the Commercial Company at San Francisco for coal at Ounalaska. After two weeks cruising, in the neighborhood of Pribyloff Islands, to rendezvous at Sand Point, Popoff Island, one of the Shumagin group, with the Thetis and Alert, and await there further Instructions by the Marion. To furnish a copy of the order to the commanding officer of the Alert and tell him to comply with it. The commander the Mohican is ordered to proceed to Behring Sea with all dispatch to the vicinity of the Pribyloff Islands immediately on receipt of the printed copies of the President's proclamation. The Thetis will proceed at once directly to Sand Point, Popoff Island, the favorite rendezvous of the sealers, to distribute copies of the proclamation to those found there. The Alert will also promptly proceed to Alaskan waters, and will be followed later on by the Marion with any subsequent instructions that may be framed.


Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 02, 2015, 09:13:39 am
jil passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on August 02, 2015, 02:14:13 pm
Wow!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on August 06, 2015, 11:28:43 pm
August 2, 1890
San Jose, Guatemala

8 A.M. to Merid.

The coal in the port after bunker was found to be on fire - caused by spontanious combustion. Extinguished fire.


 :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 07, 2015, 12:07:48 am
A serious problem with coal dust.  I'm glad they got it out.  The only one of our ships that was sunk by fire was the USS Rodgers, and that was not apparently spontaneous combustion.
http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Rodgers/USS_Rodgers-1881.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on August 07, 2015, 12:38:29 am
Wow, fascinating story, hadn't seen that one yet.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 07, 2015, 01:06:54 am
She was a support ship on a rescue operation looking for the first ever science ship Jeannette (http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Jeannette/USS_Jeannette.htm), which is another interesting tale.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 09, 2015, 09:54:42 am
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Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 09, 2015, 09:57:20 am
kimma001
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 09, 2015, 10:39:52 am
Well done Captain! And hello Kimma!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 11, 2015, 06:57:23 pm
Ouch! July 26th 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_162_1.jpg)

W.W. Blaine (oiler) crushed the end of his right thumb, necessitating its amputation at the first joint, in the reversing gear, while trying the engines, preliminary to getting underway.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 11, 2015, 09:40:11 pm
July 31st 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_167_1.jpg)
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C.H. S~ns? (Lds) was delivered into the custody of the Deputy US Marshall upon a warrant of the US Commisioner at Unalaska, charging him with desertion from the American steam whaler Beluga.

We seem to keep picking up deserters!
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By order of the Commandant of the Navy Yard turned over Frank Burton (OS) to the army authorities he having declared himself to be Frank Elgan, a deserted from Company C, 4th US Infantry
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 13, 2015, 04:58:13 pm
Ouch (again)! August 4th 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_171_1.jpg)

At 5:50am while Wm. Tait (OS) of the port watch afterguard, was in boatswain's chair triced up by port mizzen mast-whip, at work passing furling line around spanker, the standing part of whip became stranded and parted 12 ft. below upper block, causing him to fall a distance of 25 feet, striking spanker boom and deck, and to sustain a fracture of right radius (lower third) and bruises about right hip.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 13, 2015, 05:10:13 pm
they are not having a good summer!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 14, 2015, 11:24:17 pm
They're really keeping the surgeon busy! August 14th 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_181_1.jpg)

At 7:30 stopped engine to plug a leaky tube. Boilermaker Wood was slightly scalded and burned, while plugging a leaky tube, by steam and smoke.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 17, 2015, 08:05:53 pm
Sept 4th 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol013of024/vol013_010_1.jpg)
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The US Deputy Marshal served a subpoena on Ensign W.L. Dodd directing him to appear before the District Court at Sitka Alaska Oct 1st 1891 in the trial of the schooner La Ninfa.
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The following order of this date from Comdr C.S. Cotton, USN was delivered by the Comd'g Officer to Ensign W.L. Dodd of this ship: Sir, you will report, prior to 9am on the 5th inst. to Capt. Hooper USRM Comd'g the USRS Corwin for passage on board that vessel to Sitka. Upon your arrival there, report by letter to the Navy Dept. transmitting a copy of this order, and in person to the Hon. John S. Bugbee, US District Judge of Alaska in obedience to his subpoena dated Aug. 14th Ult. to appear on Oct 1st prox., and deliver to you this day by the Deputy US Marshal at Iliuliak Alaska. Upon your discharge by the Court from further attendance you will, should you not in the mean time received different instructions from superior authority, proceed to the Navy Yard Mare Id., Cal. and there report to the Comdt.

I found the transcript (https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/ca9/briefs/govuscourtsca9briefs0003/gov.uscourts.ca9.024.b.01.pdf) of the court case. I've not read it all (it's 62 pages long!) but it looks like the La Ninfa was seized for breaking the new laws on fur seal fishing (see previous post), and it was actually the Corwin that had done the seizing.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on August 20, 2015, 10:09:20 pm
A nice photo of the Thetis from the N. Museum of the U.S. Navy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/127906254@N06/18902735569/in/album-72157654556160950/
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 20, 2015, 10:20:09 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 20, 2015, 10:22:31 pm
Very nice one - they say the ship behind her is the Bear.

(http://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/NH-02000/NH-2145/_jcr_content/mediaitem/image.img.jpg/1436226426769.jpg)
click to enlarge
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on August 20, 2015, 10:24:30 pm
Yes, this is the Greely Relief Expedition, which we mostly did during the OW3 beta as I recall. Bear, Thetis, ex HMS Alert.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 21, 2015, 10:42:58 am
Great pic, thanks Kevin!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mapurves on August 21, 2015, 05:51:29 pm
I don't know how far the logs for Thetis go, but this from Concord, May 29 1904 in Honolulu (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_137_1.jpg):

U.S.R.C. Thetis stood into harbor at 2:00 and anchored in "Man-of-War" row.

Thought I'd say, "Hi!"  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 21, 2015, 11:50:19 pm
Hello, Concord!

No idea how far the logs go either, I'm only up to 1891. It may take me some time to reach the equivalent page!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on August 22, 2015, 12:32:32 am
Sorry, but you won't get to that page.
The last logbook ends in July 1897.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: elizabeth on August 22, 2015, 08:57:02 am
Sorry, but you won't get to that page.
The last logbook ends in July 1897.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_1.jpg
:( oh dear really .....so like the ship was not around in 1906? 
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 22, 2015, 10:06:41 am
Sorry, but you won't get to that page.
The last logbook ends in July 1897.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_1.jpg
:(
But on the plus side less years to transcribe to get to the end  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on August 22, 2015, 10:11:19 am
Sorry, but you won't get to that page.
The last logbook ends in July 1897.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_1.jpg
:( oh dear really .....so like the ship was not around in 1906? 

She was around, but wasn't in the service of the Navy, although she wasn't decommissioned until 1917 (and remained seaworthy until 1960... ironically as a seal poaching vessel out of Newfoundland). Between 1899 and 1917 she was essentially little more than a rather famous ship that had put her heroics behind her, and became a transport vessel. As she was no longer a Navy survey ship after 1897, it's unlikely that we'll see her later log books, since they aren't terribly likely to contain much (if any) of the data that we require for the OW project.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on August 22, 2015, 10:48:16 am
The Thetis's page at NavalHistory says:

Log Period and Areas of Service: 1884 (imaging - 1887-1897), Greely Arctic rescue mission.

Fate: Transferred in 1899 to Revenue Cutter Service. Sold out of service in 1916.

In other words, 1887 to 1897 were the only parts that got scanned and uploaded, so they are the only ones we can transcribe.
But she did continue to serve in the Revenue Service for 17 years: http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/Thetis/USRC_Thetis.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 22, 2015, 11:25:24 am
I'm really surprised they didn't pull the Revenue Service logs for scanning also, as she was quite active transporting reindeer from Siberia and then chasing poachers in Alaska and Hawaii.  Oh, well - we got what we got.

http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Thetis_1899.asp
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on August 22, 2015, 12:54:34 pm
And returning undocumented Japanese immigrants to Japan.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 22, 2015, 07:35:04 pm
I'm really surprised they didn't pull the Revenue Service logs for scanning also, as she was quite active transporting reindeer from Siberia and then chasing poachers in Alaska and Hawaii.  Oh, well - we got what we got.

http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Thetis_1899.asp
Thanks for the link, sounds like the logs would be interesting, especially the reindeer transporting  (after getting a little obsessed with this on the Bear  ::) )
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 29, 2015, 12:10:42 pm
October 31st 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol013of024/vol013_067_1.jpg) at Mare Island
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4 to 8am:
The body of James Walters (Machinist) was found near the Georgia St. Wharf, Vallejo, he having been drowned, during the night

8am to Merid:
Asst. Surgeon G.B. Wilson USN left the ship on duty to attend the Coroner's inquest in the case of J.H. Walters late Mach USN

Merid to 4pm:
By reason of his death the name of J.H. Walters (Mach.) was this day dropped from the rolls of this ship and from the Naval Service. At 3:00 sent body bearers from this ship to conduct the body of J.H. Walters (Mach.) from Vallejo to the US Naval Hospital.

Nov 2nd (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol013of024/vol013_069_1.jpg)
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At 1:00 sent funeral party in charge of Lt. Denfield to the Naval Hospital to bury the remains of the late James H. Walters (Machinist) and at 1:30 half masted colors.

Rest in peace, James Walters
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on August 29, 2015, 12:58:45 pm
I'm really surprised they didn't pull the Revenue Service logs for scanning also, as she was quite active transporting reindeer from Siberia and then chasing poachers in Alaska and Hawaii.  Oh, well - we got what we got.

http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Thetis_1899.asp

Hi Janet,
this morning I have finished another Thetis volume (ending  September 30th, 1899) and started a new one with some weeks from April-May 1899 and then jumping to October 1899:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol594/vol594_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol594/vol594_001_1.jpg

For the time being the logs are of the non standard type:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol594/vol594_013_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 29, 2015, 01:03:39 pm
I think the temperature and pressure should be sufficient here - especially since they are in California and have only three watches.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 29, 2015, 03:31:34 pm
Your choice, Silvia, but I'd add Wind also.  And maybe for weather code "clear" or "hazy".
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on August 29, 2015, 03:36:21 pm
Oops - maybe I was wrong about this, and we will get to 1904:

Sorry, but you won't get to that page.
The last logbook ends in July 1897.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol024of024/vol024_001_1.jpg

Ah well. There's no way I could have known.
Silvia, when you finish this ship, could you please tell us what date was on the very last page?
(For these odd logs - I would add wind direction, wind force and weather code from the text for the appropriate times when those are recorded in the text, like I'm doing now on Jamestown 1844)
 
Oh, and I also changed the notes on Thetis in the index of active ships (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3210.msg73357#msg73357) to let others know of the odd logs.
Hope my choice of words is OK:

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Thetis is usually a good ship for new transcribers, but some of her latter logs are very different from the log shown in the tutorial and the order of the columns in the logs does not match that of the Weather Observation tab. See here for details. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3017.msg114742#msg114742)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 29, 2015, 03:50:15 pm
That seems fine.
When we did the Reference topic for Thetis, we had very little information :(
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on August 29, 2015, 07:25:11 pm
I'd do the parts of the WR that are not on the abbreviated chart same as Jamestown 1844, except the presence of numbers makes it richer.  Maybe get instructions from that crew?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 30, 2015, 09:43:18 am
Miepie88
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 31, 2015, 06:56:03 pm
Miepie88 passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 06, 2015, 03:26:45 pm
kimma001 passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 08, 2015, 06:33:48 pm
A Happy Christmas to you! Dec 25th 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol013of024/vol013_133_1.jpg)
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At 10:00 by order of Comdg Officer placed in solitary confinement on bread and water for five days A. Currie (1 CF) for being drunk on board ship
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 09, 2015, 06:12:22 pm
A mass meeting of OW ships - Jan 4th 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol013of024/vol013_143_1.jpg)

Hello Albatross, Bear and Rush!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 09, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
It's nice that they are all home for the winter.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 12, 2015, 08:49:18 am
40% complete  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 20, 2015, 11:36:49 am
Miepie88 passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 20, 2015, 01:45:30 pm
April 14th 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_054_1.jpg) in San Francisco Harbor
4 to 8am:
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At 5:20 heard cries of man overboard from the ship B.F. Packard of Bath. Lowered the dinghy and picked him up in an exhausted condition, being unconscious when he was brought on board. Worked on him for an hour and a half and resuscitated him.

Merid to 4pm:
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Delivered to Deputy Harbor Commissioner for transfer to Marine Hospital the man who was picked up in the harbor.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on September 23, 2015, 09:42:27 am
O.O BF Packard's after cabin (captain's stateroom, day cabin, and all of its trim and furnishings) are in the Museum of America and the Sea in Mystic, Connecticut! The ship itself had to be scuttled after taking severe damage in the Great New England Hurricane of 1938, but the after cabin was salvaged and carted off because, frankly, it's a testament to the beauty of the ships of the late 19th century.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 23, 2015, 12:52:31 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 24, 2015, 04:58:17 pm
May 24th 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_094_1.jpg) at Honolulu
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Dressed ship at sunrise in company with the Flagship San Francisco, British Ensign at the main, in honor of the birthday of HBM Queen Victoria.
Quote
Comdg Officer paid official visits to the British Commissioner, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and to the Governor of Oahu.

Surprised to see Queen Victoria getting a mention!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 24, 2015, 05:13:20 pm
I've noticed frequently ships in foreign ports act as diplomats, honoring each others' holidays.  In Hong Kong, British ships will celebrate 4th of July because American ships are also in port.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 24, 2015, 06:17:10 pm
Just spotted why they were running a line of soundings from Point Conception, Cal. to Hilo, Hawaii.  Surveying for possible route for telegraph cable. Albatross also mentioned in the San Francisco Call article (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18930326.2.181).

The cable was eventually laid in 1902 - http://atlantic-cable.com//CableCos/ComPacCable/index.htm
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 24, 2015, 06:20:02 pm
The Daily Bulletin (Honolulu) (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82016412/1892-05-31/ed-1/seq-1/) for May 31st 1892 has a report on Memorial Day procession the previous day which includes:
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Captain Sampson of the San Francisco and Lieut. Commander Reiter of the Thetis, with officers of their ships, brought up the rear of the escort in a wagonette

However no mention in the log  :(
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 02, 2015, 08:44:55 pm
August 1st 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_164_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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At 2.15 sent 48 men and 3 officers to take part in ceremonies of unveiling the monument to the men of the "Boston" who were killed in the accident at the magazine on June 13th 1892.

Slightly gruesome article (http://www3.gendisasters.com/california/1904/vallejo,-ca-mare-island-navy-yard-terrible-explosion,-june-1892) about the explosion.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on October 03, 2015, 12:56:37 am
I've noticed frequently ships in foreign ports act as diplomats, honoring each others' holidays.  In Hong Kong, British ships will celebrate 4th of July because American ships are also in port.

We celebrated the 4th of July aboard a chartered Norwegian ship anchored at Grytviken, South Georgia (a British Overseas Territory) with a company of Royal Engineers and a British civilian harbormaster. Fortunately, no one was blown up by the artillery illumination flares they gave us to use for DIY fireworks. TOO much diplomacy was had by all.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 03, 2015, 01:51:08 am
Love your stories Kevin.  Those fireworks must have been well lubricated by evening. ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 03, 2015, 08:00:13 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 03, 2015, 09:58:34 am
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 03, 2015, 11:05:25 pm
August 11th 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_175_1.jpg)
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William Hutson (1 CF) was delivered to a constable of Vallejo on a warrant for his arrest issued by a Justice of the peace, he returned on board after appearing before the court.
Quote
Placed Chas. Johansen in a straight jacket for safe keeping.
  :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on October 04, 2015, 12:19:59 am
I wonder if a straight jacket was part of the normal ship's equipment, or if they sent for one from shore?  :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 04, 2015, 08:56:27 pm
 :o :o :o

Or perhaps it's one of those jobs that the sailmaker has to know about - there's a sobbering idea  :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 05, 2015, 01:03:38 am
I can't remember seeing one on any of the lists of stuff coming on board any of the ships. Was the sailmaker rapidly stitching while everyone else was trying to keep Mr. Johansen calm?  :o

BTW - he was released in the early hours of the next day.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 06, 2015, 08:49:29 pm
August 23rd 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_189_0.jpg)

At 2am barometric pressure 99.91  :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 06, 2015, 08:51:10 pm
August 23rd 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_189_0.jpg)

At 2am barometric pressure 99.91  :o

and so very clearly written.  No excuses at all.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 06, 2015, 08:58:08 pm
Very neat handwriting :-X ;D



I hadn't seen Janet's post because it was on the next page ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on October 06, 2015, 10:58:44 pm
August 23rd 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol014of024/vol014_189_0.jpg)

At 2am barometric pressure 99.91  :o

I'd say he almost did it again in the 6 a.m. entry.  ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 07, 2015, 07:41:55 am
Yes!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 10, 2015, 09:56:42 pm
Sept 24th 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol015of024/vol015_031_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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The San Francisco hauled down the flag of Rear Admiral Geo Brown and it was hoisted aboard this ship.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 12, 2015, 07:09:24 am
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 100,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 12, 2015, 07:10:40 am
jil passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on October 12, 2015, 12:54:50 pm
Bravo Silvia and Jil!

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 12, 2015, 05:01:29 pm
Thanks, Craig.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on October 12, 2015, 05:18:42 pm
That makes this the THIRD ship where Silvia has passed the 100k mark! Impressive!
You're doing very well too, Jil - according to my rankings, you will be next to break the global 100k mark.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 15, 2015, 11:18:59 pm
October 21st 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol015of024/vol015_060_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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At 8 O' Clock dressed ship masthead fashion, Italian and Spanish flags at the Main, the band played the Italian and Spanish National Airs.
Quote
At noon salutes of 21 guns were fired from The Navy Yard, Mohican, Yorktown and Ranger.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 16, 2015, 12:17:45 am
October 21st 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol015of024/vol015_060_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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At 8 O' Clock dressed ship masthead fashion, Italian and Spanish flags at the Main, the band played the Italian and Spanish National Airs.
Quote
At noon salutes of 21 guns were fired from The Navy Yard, Mohican, Yorktown and Ranger.

This is the only reason I can google to explain honoring both Spain and Italy in a domestic shipyard.
Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_21?oldformat=true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Columbian_Exposition?oldformat=true
1892 ? Opening ceremonies for the World's Columbian Exposition (http://World's Columbian Exposition) are held in Chicago to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the New World in 1492, though because construction was behind schedule, the exposition did not open until May 1, 1893.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 16, 2015, 09:51:55 am
Thanks, Janet.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 30, 2015, 07:05:04 pm
Nov 30th 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol015of024/vol015_102_1.jpg)
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Rear Admiral George Brown Comd'g US Naval Forces on Pacific Station this day transferred his flag to the USS Mohican. At one hauled down rear admiral's flag and broke commision pennant. At same time the rear admiral's flag was displayed on the Mohican.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 03, 2015, 07:51:49 am
Hello from Albatross!

December 23, 1889
Mare Island Navy Yard

4 to 8 P.M.

About 7.05 the collecting boat was swamped while making a passage from the ship to Vallejo and the following men were drowned: R.S. Padgett (Mach) J. Enright (Sea) W.W. Lee (Sea) and Phillipi, a citizen newspaper peddler. The survivors were picked up by the whale boat of the U.S.S. Thetis. The collecting boat was picked up and towed ashore by a boat from Vallejo.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_181_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol020of055/vol020of055_181_1.jpg)

This write-up in the
     San Francisco Chronicle (San Francisco, California) 25 Dec 1889, Wed - Page 6
gives more detail on the events and the people.

(https://img0.newspapers.com/img/img?id=27592962&width=557&height=3678&crop=1019_2898_622_4183&rotation=0&brightness=0&contrast=0&invert=0&ts=1446521151&h=83f2a22e9a066f5c9890a5df79e88051)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 06, 2015, 09:53:15 pm
Feb 4th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol015of024/vol015_169_1.jpg) - San Diego
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At 8.00 hoisted ensign half-mast in conformity to Genl. order No. 406 in respect to memory of ex-President R.B. Hayes.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 09, 2015, 11:15:01 am
45% complete  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 11, 2015, 06:12:42 pm
March 17th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_015_1.jpg) - Pequena Bay, Lower California
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Passed large patches of discolored water, dark reddish brown ("whalefood").

Presumably some sort of krill.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 11, 2015, 09:38:07 pm
Well I guess I should report this to Penguin Watch, krill being a jolly good penguin dinner (wrong end of the globe - but hey...)  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on November 12, 2015, 06:22:58 am
It's also a key player in the Pacific salmon runs. Back in 1998 there was a rather large algae bloom in the Bering Sea that saw numbers of krill drop significantly (since the krill can't eat the smaller coccolithophores that made up the bulk of the bloom). It was thought at the time (and still is, as far as I'm aware) that this was one of the reasons why the Pacific salmon didn't spawn that season.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 12, 2015, 08:10:45 pm
Noooooooooooo! After getting 24 WRs a day for every weather page since I started (1508 pages in total) they stop at 6pm on this page  :'( .

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_027_0.jpg

No more nice round totals  :'( :'(  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 12, 2015, 08:50:42 pm
March 30th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_028_1.jpg)
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By order of Commanding Officer H.O. Prince (SA 1st cl.) disrated to SA 2d cl for straggling from working party after repeated orders to close up.
Straggling - interesting offence, makes a change from drunkeness!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 12, 2015, 10:10:50 pm
Noooooooooooo! After getting 24 WRs a day for every weather page since I started (1508 pages in total) they stop at 6pm on this page  :'( .

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_027_0.jpg

No more nice round totals  :'( :'(  ::)

Have a nice mug of hot chocolate to settle your nerves ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 12, 2015, 10:11:44 pm
Noooooooooooo! After getting 24 WRs a day for every weather page since I started (1508 pages in total) they stop at 6pm on this page  :'( .

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_027_0.jpg

No more nice round totals  :'( :'(  ::)

I know that feel, Jil. Want a hug?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 14, 2015, 09:16:44 am
Thanks, I've calmed down now! It will at least stop me pausing every 3000 WRs to admire all those zeros  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 24, 2015, 04:59:43 pm
July 1st 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_124_1.jpg) - oops!
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At 6.20 Schr. Yacht "White Wings" collided with this ship. Stove hole with her jib boom about 10 in. in diameter in the stern of this ships starboard side
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 24, 2015, 05:22:18 pm
That does not give me a feeling of confidence for facing ice or enemy fire :o ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 30, 2015, 05:27:35 pm
August 6th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_167_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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J. Wilson Lds voluntarily delivered himself up as a deserter from the 5th Artillery Regiment of US Army having deserted from the Presidio about May 6th 1893. Per order of Com'd'g officer J. Wilson (Lds) was made a prisoner at large & confined to the Berth Deck in charge of Master-at-Arms to await instruction.
August 7th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_168_1.jpg)
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Oscar Krause (Lds) was placed under arrest as a prisoner at large to await action by order of Com'd'g officer, he having voluntarily surrended himself as a deserter from the US Army stating that he deserted from Company A 16th Infantry at Fort Douglas, Utah Ty. In June last being then enlisted under the name Frederick Kessler.
:o Not sure what's going on but they have been exercising the Landsmen in the rigging and in boats so perhaps they decided the Army didn't look so bad after all.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 30, 2015, 06:07:56 pm
I find this fascinating - in those days who would know who you were (unless they recognised you)..surely you could wander off and be anyone you liked in a country so large? I wonder why they gave themselves up?  :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 03, 2015, 09:14:53 am
August 29th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol016of024/vol016_192_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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Discharged from the ship and from the Naval Service by order of the Bureau of Navigation dated Aug 21st 1893 J. Wilson (Lds) O. Krause (Lds) and turned them over to a guard from the Presidio, sent to take charge of them as deserters from US Army.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 09, 2015, 07:44:27 pm
Oct 8th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_026_1.jpg) - Pequena Bay, Lower Cal.
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Supplied to Antonio Aguilar he representing that his family were in destitute circumstances and paying for same. 141lbs sugar, 300lbs flour, 16 5/8 gals of beans, 143lbs rice, and 25lbs coffee.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 09, 2015, 08:06:14 pm
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6569.gif)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on December 13, 2015, 08:00:41 am
It seems USS "Thetis" logs for the period May-October 1903 have been scanned twice.

The first volume (the one I transcribed) encompasses the period April 4th, 1903- October 11th, 1903

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol602/vol602_001_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol602/vol602_001_1.jpg


After completing the volume above, I was presented with the second copy that covers the period May 26th, 1903 ? October 11th, 1903:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol603/vol603_001_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol603/vol603_001_1.jpg


The second copy seems to be identical to the first one.

First copy, logs for May 26th, 1903:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol602/vol602_060_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol602/vol602_060_1.jpg

Second copy, logs for May 26th,1903:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol603/vol603_007_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol603/vol603_007_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 13, 2015, 08:20:04 am
Thank you for posting that.
It looks like they gave us both the original and the copy.

As usual, just skip over the second copy.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on December 13, 2015, 08:34:08 am
Thank you, Randi :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on December 16, 2015, 05:44:45 pm
Welcome aboard the Albatross. 

4th March 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_069_1.jpg

The Ward-room Officers of the U.S.S. Thetis, called officially on the Commanding Officer and the Ward-room Officers of this ship.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 16, 2015, 11:04:34 pm
Hello Albatross!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on January 01, 2016, 02:28:27 pm
50% complete!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 02, 2016, 08:56:29 am
Wooooo hoooooooo!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 04, 2016, 01:02:32 pm
Money laundering? Dec 30th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_110_1.jpg)

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Received in Pay Masters department 300 lbs of soap and $6000 in US Currency.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 04, 2016, 01:15:24 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on January 05, 2016, 08:26:29 am
Hi - this morning I was in July 1891 but this evening, the log page which opened is 6 March 1905 ??  Is this right?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 05, 2016, 11:06:53 am
Hi, I'm up to the start of 1894 and I don't remember any weird date leaps happening ???
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 05, 2016, 11:39:13 am
I get July 23 1891 for the Thetis but I may not be in the same stream as Force 9.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 05, 2016, 01:37:48 pm
Hi - this morning I was in July 1891 but this evening, the log page which opened is 6 March 1905 ??  Is this right?
You must have been having fun? ;D ::) ;D



Seriously, that does sound rather strange.
I get July 23, 1891
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol012of024/vol012_159_1.jpg
I am certainly in the third stream!

I have noticed that sometimes when I start on one ship and am asked to log in, I am sent to a different ship.
You should be able to click on the VESSELS button at the top of the page and then on Search Vessels and then select Thetis from the list.

If you keep having problems, try to give a link to the log page (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0) or do a screen capture.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 05, 2016, 03:28:56 pm
More in our long line of Army deserters - January 5th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_116_1.jpg) San Diego
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Alfred Cunningham (Bugler) gave himself up as a deserter from the 7th Infantry USA his correct name being Albert Culbertson, and deserted in June 93. W Ray (Lds) also gave himself up as a deserter from the 17th Infantry USA his name being Willis Wise, and deserted May 10th 1893 both were placed in single irons for safe keeping by order of Comdg officer.

Also Hello to the Albatross  :)
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Comdg officer paid an official visit to the USS Albatross
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 05, 2016, 06:11:51 pm
Perfect timing!

You might also post it in This day in history... (https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/187/20239) ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on January 05, 2016, 06:33:16 pm
Hi - this morning I was in July 1891 but this evening, the log page which opened is 6 March 1905 ??  Is this right?
You must have been having fun? ;D ::) ;D

[...]

I have noticed that sometimes when I start on one ship and am asked to log in, I am sent to a different ship.
You should be able to click on the VESSELS button at the top of the page and then on Search Vessels and then select Thetis from the list.

I think what happened is you somehow got redirected to the Albatross 1900. When I select her, I get March 8th 1905 - and I haven't done a single page on her.
This redirection can happen if you log in via the "GET STARTED" button - you will immediately get presented with one randomly chosen ship, but once you do a single page you will get sent to a different ship.
I avoid that by having this link bookmarked - when I click on it, I am asked to log in, and after that I am taken straight to the list of ships I have worked on.
http://classic.oldweather.org/profile

Oh, and I've been doing 5 dates every other day on the Thetis, but I will stop that because it turns out there are 4 other people working on her (Silvia, leelaht, Jil and Force 9), and I don't want to get in anyone's way. I'll work on other ships and leave this one to you guys.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 05, 2016, 07:14:13 pm
With Firefox you can set the option "Show my windows and tabs from last time". This allows you to start where you left off previously without having to sign in. However, you must be careful to refresh the page (F5) if you are not the only one in your stream. If you don't, you risk transcribing a page that someone has already done if you have been away for a while.

The other advantage of this option is that if you intentionally or accidentally move from the page you are working on you can return to it without losing what you have transcribed.

And there are other good things about Firefox such as automatic completion. This is really handy when the same place name comes up often.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 05, 2016, 08:49:28 pm
Perfect timing!

You might also post it in This day in history... (https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/187/20239) ;)
I didn't even spot that it was 5th Jan  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Force 9 on January 05, 2016, 11:16:55 pm
Many thanks to all for the help.  Not being super computer literate, I do log in via the 'clumsy' method, meaning I have to go to vessels and deliberately select 'transcribe' Thetis.  It has always worked before, but I must have skipped the step last night.  This morning I am happily back cruising in the Bering Sea!  Gale
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 09, 2016, 08:59:17 am
January 31st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_142_1.jpg)
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Supplied to two Mexicans of whom mules have been hired for our triangulation work and whose families are in want, they paying for same 1 Bbl beans, 1 Bbl flour, 1 tin coffee
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 10, 2016, 01:54:29 pm
Imagine that! Triangulating with mules. I wonder how they keep them from moving  ???
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 10, 2016, 03:55:33 pm
I thought the problem with mules was getting them to move!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 10, 2016, 04:01:24 pm
Only when you want them to  ;D (I was whimsically imagining the mules replacing the surveying rods)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 10, 2016, 04:07:24 pm
 ;D It would save folding up and carrying of tripods!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 10, 2016, 04:07:55 pm
From 1st Feb 1894 they start recording Aneroid barometer readings as well as the normal (presumably mercurial one) but not on every line. No mention in the remarks about why they are doing this. I've been putting the aneroid ones in as an extra WR, hope that's correct.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_143_0.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 10, 2016, 05:56:35 pm
Yes.
"Extra" Weather Entries (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51629#msg51629) ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 11, 2016, 08:36:59 am
Thanks Randi.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 12, 2016, 09:18:01 am
Feb 20th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_162_1.jpg) - off Boca de las Animas/Aminas?, Lower California
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Sent 1st surf boat on shore with 2 signals in charge of Ensign Fermier. At 3.50 1st surf boat capsized in surf. Sent 3rd whale boat to the assistance of 1st surf boat with Lieut. Hughes in charge.
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At 5.40 3rd whale boat returned and at 5.45 1st surf boat returned, Ensign Fermier reporting P. Burkhardt (Sea), one of the boats crew, drowned. Lost from 1st surf boat 1 Boat compass, and one Boat Hook. Sun down at 5.55. Moon rise at 6.52. No current. Low water at 4.30. P. Burkhardt (Sea) was drowned in the surf by the capsizing of the 1st Surf boat about 4 o'clock.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 12, 2016, 12:56:51 pm
Mexico - Baja California Sur

(Boca de las Animas in log)
Boca Las Animas:
http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=6156485&fid=4104&c=mexico
(25.683613, -112.094894)

Punta San Juanico:
http://geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-2384759&fid=4111&c=mexico
(26.066667, -112.3)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 12, 2016, 04:16:41 pm
Thanks Randi! I couldn't locate any variation of Boca de las/los Animas/Aminas and couldn't decide where the dot for the i was. Now all I have to do is remember (assuming we go there again)!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 13, 2016, 08:40:57 am
Feb 21st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_163_1.jpg)
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By order of Comdg Officer an inventory of the effects of P. Burkhardt (Sea), deceased, was taken by Ensign L.R. de Steiguer. The effects were sealed and truned over to Asst. Paymaster Z.W. Reynolds for safe keeping.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 13, 2016, 10:23:48 am
Feb 22nd 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_164_1.jpg)
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Shore party were in sight most of watch, apparently searching the beach for Peter Burkhardt's body.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 15, 2016, 10:20:25 am
Feb 25th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_167_1.jpg)
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Sent surf boat, in charge of an officer, to examine object washed up on beach, and found it to be the carcase of a shark
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 15, 2016, 02:19:59 pm
March 1st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_171_1.jpg)
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At 5.30 sent boat in charge of an officer to try and ascertain, without going into surf, if object washed up on beach were remains of Seaman Burkhardt.
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At 6.10, 2nd surf boat returned, the officer in charge reporting that object on beach was not the remains of a man, as it appeared too large
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 15, 2016, 02:46:16 pm
So, I found this (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH18940510.2.12) short article about Seaman Burkhardt in the 10 May, 1894 Los Angeles Herald. Second to last column on the right, right in the middle of the page. Looks like they kept up the search for a long time.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 15, 2016, 08:51:51 pm
Thanks for that, HatterJack. At least they found him in the end.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 16, 2016, 04:56:55 am
Thanks for that, HatterJack. At least they found him in the end.

Indeed. It's rather disturbing to me how few are ever actually found again once they go over the rail. It's far too easy to lose sight of someone at sea, and there's just so much water and movement that losing sight even for just a few seconds often makes the difference between life and death (or recovery of the body, in this case).

There's a reason we sailors have a love-hate relationship with the sea. She's breathtakingly beautiful, and arguably the single most powerful force on Earth. There would be no life without her. But she is cold, cruel, and unreasonable. We love her, even though she abuses us, because beneath the fury there is something indescribably... pure (for lack of a better word) about her. We ride out her rage, taking our blows until she calms, and all that remains is so achingly glorious that we can't help but put up with her fits because we know the potential that lies within.

Apparently, we sailors are battered wives with a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 16, 2016, 06:19:24 am
This poetry should be copied into "art and letters"?  Thank you for putting the feelings so clearly.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 16, 2016, 06:55:29 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 16, 2016, 09:55:43 am
March 6th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_176_1.jpg) - Boca de las Animas
After a few days of signals between ship and shore trying to pick a time when it would be safe for the shore party to return. It made me nervous just reading it, they must have been very relieved to get everyone out of the water.
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3rd and 4th whale boats, in charge of Ens. MacDougall, were sent in to await outside the surf for 1st and 2nd Surf boats. About 1.30 1st and 2nd Surf boats came out through the surf and transferred their loads to 3rd and 4th Whale boats. In returning through the surf the 2nd Surf boat was capsized. Lieut Braunersreuther and her crew except the Coxswain were taken off by the 1st Surf boat, in charge of Ens. Fermier, which returned to the ship, accompanied by 3rd and 4th Whale boats. Coxswain Nelson, of the 2nd Surf boat, went through the surf, landed on the beach with his boat and joined shore party.
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Lieut Braunersreuther reports that he and Ens. Fermier made a strict and careful search of the beach to the South of Boca for the remains of Peter Burkhardt.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 16, 2016, 11:03:18 am
March 7th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_177_1.jpg)
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At 6.45 1st Surf boat with volunteer crew, 4 extra men, Ens. Fermier and in charge of Lieut. Hughes left the ship accompanied by 4th Whale boat, to go in and bring off shore party. At 7.40 both boats returned not having landed.
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At 8.25 1st Surf boat, in charge of Lieut. Hughes with Ens. De Steiguer and four extra men, left ship accompanied by 4th whale boat to land, if possible, and bring off men and instruments left on beach. At 11.40, the signal O.K. having been made from the boats, started fires under main boiler.
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At 12.25 1st and 2nd surf boats, 4th whale boat and dory returned to ship, bringing off all shore party and gear. Hoisted boats.
Phew!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 17, 2016, 02:53:10 pm
Hello Albatross! March 12th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_182_1.jpg) just returned to San Diego
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Received boarding visit from officer of U.S.F.C.S. Albatross.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 17, 2016, 06:19:32 pm
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_076_1.jpg
USS Thetis came into harbor at 5.30. Sent Boarding Officer to make official call on Comdg Officer.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 17, 2016, 06:56:00 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 18, 2016, 03:16:56 pm
More in our long line of Army deserters - January 5th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_116_1.jpg) San Diego
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Alfred Cunningham (Bugler) gave himself up as a deserter from the 7th Infantry USA his correct name being Albert Culbertson, and deserted in June 93. W Ray (Lds) also gave himself up as a deserter from the 17th Infantry USA his name being Willis Wise, and deserted May 10th 1893 both were placed in single irons for safe keeping by order of Comdg officer.

After getting a couple of months more work out of them - March 14th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_184_1.jpg)
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By order of the Chief of Bureau of Navigation, discharged, and transferred to the Army Authorities, at San Diego, A. Cunningham, Bugler, and W. Ray (Lds).
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on January 19, 2016, 09:11:10 am
A very nice find from USS Thetis logs: a new island sprang.

July, 10th, 1906.
Thetis is in Alaska, coordinates at Noon: 55 04 00N, 168 02 00W.

4am to 8am:

"Calm & SE airs. Misty around horizon. Reconnoitred Bogoslof Island from a distance of about 3 miles and observed that a new island had sprung up between the two old ones, about 1/3 of the distance from the first one (which came up in 1801) to the second (1881) and connected to the first one by a ridge of land; a long spit runs out form the Southern end of the new island, just as one runs from each of the others. A crater pouring, firth vapor, is opened on the North side about 3/4 of the way up, and all around the island, vapor is spurting up through fissures, and the vapor is so thick over the surface of the island that it looks like bank of snow. There is no indication of boiling water, reported by Dirks, around the island. Sounded in 175 fms of water, within in three miles of the island, showing no general upheaval, but the water appears to be shoaler between the islands than it formerly were"

A sketch of the three islands view looking from SSE, dist 3 miles, follows :)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol610/vol610_040_1.jpg

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 19, 2016, 10:59:23 am
Is this Perry Island we IDed for the AVO in 2014, or is it a different new island?
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3698.msg98295#msg98295

Perry gives their noon position (when they visited the new island) as "Bogoslav Vol. WSW 1/4 W distance 7 miles", July 5th 1906.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Perry_Island_postcard.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 19, 2016, 05:31:05 pm
Like the little sketch in the log!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 19, 2016, 06:22:02 pm
That I really do too.

I'm also sending this added info to AVO as add-on info - their geological descriptions are more detailed than Perry's.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 22, 2016, 08:28:56 am
April 5th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_011_1.jpg)
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Received signal from Lieut. Hughes "many signals stolen. No mules, need 4 more men, box of bread, six flags and frying pan". Sent six signals ashore in response to Signal, also 2, 40 ft signals for bases
Who forgot to pack the frying pan?  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 22, 2016, 09:29:46 am
That's a surprising mistake. Cookware is as essential as rope and a knife. Well... maybe not that important, but still very important.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 24, 2016, 09:15:25 am
April 15th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_021_1.jpg) - Boca de las Animas
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At 12.18 Steam launch and 1st Surf boat with Lieut. Hughes and five men, and provisions for 10 days, left the ship. At 12.40 1st Surf boat capsized in the surf. At 1.00 Signaled from shore "No one lost".


fixed link - randi
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 24, 2016, 01:54:37 pm
(Thanks, Randi! I remembered to double-check this one!)

April 19th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_025_1.jpg)
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The remains of Seaman Peter Burkhardt, formerly of this ship were brought on board having been found on the beach at Boca de las Animas the 9th instant by shore party.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 27, 2016, 09:54:11 am
Wow, they were absolutely hell-bent on recovering his remains. The dedication of the crew to one another is inspiring.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 27, 2016, 07:46:04 pm
You know Hatterjack, I just have a feeling about the Thetis. All the way from the epic picture of the rescue of Greely, to the curious almost constant presence of their underwear drying on the jib lines in their photographs.
My sense of this ship is of confident, kind, excellence. But I've never transcribed her. I hope I'm right though.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 28, 2016, 05:41:49 am
I haven't transcribed her either, but from what I've gathered your suspicion seems to be spot on. Reading up on some of her history, it almost feels as if she and her crews were essentially a key inspiration for the modern US Navy's standards for service, etiquette, and sense of duty.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 28, 2016, 10:32:17 am
Thank you for your kind thoughts about the crew , I feel quite proud. :)

BUT possibly I should have posted all the times they ended up in single irons on bread and water for disobeying orders and disrespectful language and the number declared deserters for a more rounded picture  ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on January 28, 2016, 11:23:06 am
Perhaps, but incidents of misbehavior by a handful of crew aren't what earns a ship its reputation when the manner in which they carry themselves and the heroism beyond the call of duty that that selfsame crew displays are far more spectacular. If this were the Concord, I'd agree that it's more a case of a bunch of layabout troublemakers who occasionally do something surprisingly not terrible.  :P
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 28, 2016, 08:47:35 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 29, 2016, 01:29:15 pm
May 16th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_052_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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A party of six men left the ship at 8 o'clock for the Hospital with the remains of Peter Burkhardt late Seaman on board this ship
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At 1, sent funeral escort and a large funeral party in charge of Ensign MacDougall to Marine Hospital to attend the burial service over the remains of P. Burkhardt Sea. At 3.20 party returned
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 30, 2016, 02:02:35 pm
May 21st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_057_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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Held an auction of the effects of the late Peter Burkhardt (sea).
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 30, 2016, 09:08:11 pm
 :'( :'( :'(  But then I suppose his good mates will have keepsakes of his friendship?  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 30, 2016, 09:42:53 pm
Quote from: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg95474#msg95474
Auction of Personal Effects - "Sale of effects - started at least in the 18th century, and finished, I don't know when - during or after World War 2? When someone died or was killed, their personal effects - clothes etc. were auctioned off and the proceeds sent to their next of kin. I believe that if the man was popular, his mates or oppo's (opposite number) would sometime pay ridiculous prices for ordinary items just to make sure, say his widow, received a good sum." Quote from I question I had asked navalhistory [elizabeth]
[AND]
Whilst it may seem impersonal, it would have been much easier to ensure the money got back to the relatives rather than their effects.  A lot more opportunity for things to go missing in transit.  As Gordon has said, there is plenty of evidence that depending on their circumstances, prices became inflated to help reduce immediate hardship.  There was also the thought that one day it might be their belongings being auctioned to help their own dependents. [Haywain]
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 31, 2016, 05:29:06 pm
From 1st Feb 1894 they start recording Aneroid barometer readings as well as the normal (presumably mercurial one) but not on every line. No mention in the remarks about why they are doing this. I've been putting the aneroid ones in as an extra WR, hope that's correct.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_143_0.jpg
Part way through May 29th 1894 they start to just use the aneroid - 'The mecurial barometer being reviewed'
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on January 31, 2016, 05:39:14 pm
From 1st Feb 1894 they start recording Aneroid barometer readings as well as the normal (presumably mercurial one) but not on every line. No mention in the remarks about why they are doing this. I've been putting the aneroid ones in as an extra WR, hope that's correct.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol017of024/vol017_143_0.jpg
Part way through May 29th 1894 they start to just use the aneroid - 'The mecurial barometer being reviewed'
Hi jil - I popped a copy of this in Barometers, Instrumentation & Specifications by ship - phase 3:  http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.0
 :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on January 31, 2016, 09:58:59 pm
Ta!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 02, 2016, 11:06:38 pm
June 3rd 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_070_1.jpg)
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Published commendatory letters to A. McRath (Sea), J. Nelson (BM 2 Class), also Geo. Haines (BM 2 Cl) received commendatory letter and Recommendation for life saving medal 2nd class from Navy Department.
Also have a different guy writing the logs doing very fancy copperplate :) Unfortunately he seems to be making up for the extra ink used by doing the weather records in tiny, tiny writing  :(
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 06, 2016, 12:37:06 pm
June 27th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_094_1.jpg)
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Sold the effects of A.W. Anderson (Bm 1Cl) a deserter from this ship. By authority of Commanding Officer R. Price (Lds) was given a watch found among the effects of A.W. Anderson (BM 1 C) a deserter, the watch being identified by Price as his own property.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 07, 2016, 10:56:06 am
July 9th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_106_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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Lieutenant W.S. Hughes with Ensign L.R. de Steigner left ship with Infantry Company of thirty men to report to Captain C.S. Cotton for duty with landing party; Lieutenant W. Braunersreuther and Ensign G.L. Fermier left ship to report to Captain C.S. Cotton for duty with landing party.
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Landing party left ship at 1.15 to report on board USRS Independence. Sent to that vessel seven tents complete to be used with landing party.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 09, 2016, 07:35:42 am
July 11th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_108_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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Exercised Infantry Company. Landing parties from U.S. Ships "Monterey" and Charleston exercised on shore. Received from Magazine, 4000 rounds blank cartridge, cal. 45; received from U.S.R.S. Independence 4000 rounds ball cartridge, cal. 45; and 250 rounds ball cartridge, cal. 38.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 09, 2016, 07:41:16 am
Don't get them confused!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 09, 2016, 08:03:29 am
July 12th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_109_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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At 12.15 Infantry Company in charge of Lieut. W.S. Hughes with Ensign L.R. de Steigeur left the ship in Heavy marching order with four day rations and 110 rounds each of ammunition. Lieut. W. Braunersreuther & Ensign G.L. Fermier left the ship to take charge of men from the U.S.R.S. Independence. These with Naval Battallions from U.S.S Monterey and U.S.S. Charleston embarked on board the steamer Alameda for Oakland mole to aid in suppressing railway strike riots.
:o

Article from Los Angeles Herald (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH18940704.2.5) about the strike

From The Pullman Strike (https://libcom.org/history/pullman-strike-1894-jeremy-brecher) by Jeremy Brecher
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Similarly, at Oakland a large crowd occupied the railroad yards, "killing" engines and leaving them to block the tracks. When 370 sailors and marines were landed, the wives and mothers of the strikers organized a Ladies' Relief Organization and turned a local hall into a hospital, in anticipation of a battle that never occurred.

More details from Chicago Tribune of July 13th (http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1894/07/13/page/5/article/riots-on-the-coast) including a name check for Thetis.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 10, 2016, 09:15:40 am
July 17th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_114_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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The Army Tug "McDowell" came to the yard at 11.30 sent on aboard of her thirty nine hammocks for the use of the landing party at Oakland.
Well I think that's what it says - the guy with the nice copperplate didn't last very long.  :'(
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 12, 2016, 06:42:23 pm
July 23rd 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_120_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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Sold at auction the effects of deserters realizing $6.60 for those of E. Ward (Sea), $1.35 for those of M. Kennedy (Ptr) and $0.30 for those of W.D. Humphray (J of D)
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Post by: AvastMH on February 12, 2016, 07:58:54 pm
oh gosh - no wonder they deserted - perhaps they hoped to become worth more pennies than they left behind?  :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 14, 2016, 06:37:10 pm
August 7th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_135_1.jpg) - Mare Island. It wasn't us, we were quietly moored in the dock ;)
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At 10.20 Caisson to dock shifted and broke away from dock, rebent lines parted repeatedly but Caisson sank at 11.35.

August 8th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_136_1.jpg)
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Divers & working force from Navy Yard preparing to raise the Caisson of the Dock.

Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 14, 2016, 07:29:29 pm
That's what they all say ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 15, 2016, 06:28:40 pm
August 18th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_146_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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Caisson of dry dock floated into place.
Wooo hooo  :D
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Post by: AvastMH on February 15, 2016, 06:58:09 pm
That's one clever caisson  :o  I bet the Thetis divers did it really  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 15, 2016, 07:11:52 pm
August 19th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_147_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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at 9:30 called all hands to muster, read articles for the Better government of the Navy of the U.S; also published two letters of Commendation, one from Brigadier General Ruger, Commanding Dept. of California relating to conduct of officers and men while stationed as a Naval Brigade and serving under his orders at Oakland Mole. Also one from Lt. CA Clarke U.S.N. to the same effect.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 15, 2016, 07:19:24 pm
Nice to see some praise for a change!
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Post by: jil on February 19, 2016, 08:33:07 am
60% complete  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 19, 2016, 11:36:24 am
September 13th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_184_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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At 8.40 A. McRath (cox) left the ship without permission over the bows getting into a shore boat. Sent Dinghy with Ens. Stearns in charge to capture boat and bring occupants alongside. Confined A. McRath in double irons by order of Comdg. Officer to await investigation and for safekeeping - released boatman with a warning.
When sneaking off the ship you need to be sneaky enough to not be spotted  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 19, 2016, 04:49:14 pm
September 14th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_185_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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At 3.30 J.F. Daly (C.P.) was brought on board having accidentally shot himself producing a compound fracture of the left arm - sent him to Hospital for treatment.
:o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 21, 2016, 10:06:53 am
September 24th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_195_1.jpg) - San Francisco Bay. Ahoy to the Yorktown  :)
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At 6.20 U.S.S. Yorktown entered harbor and exchanged numbers. At 6.45 Yorktown anchored to southward of this vessel
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Sent an officer on board the Yorktown with offers of the usual courtesies. An officer of the Yorktown called upon this ship about 10:00. About 11:45 the Yorktown got underway and left the harbor, heading up the bay towards the Navy Yard
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 22, 2016, 08:43:27 am
September 28th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol018of024/vol018_199_1.jpg) - San Diego
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Revenue steamer Wolcott and merchant vessels in harbor dressed ship at sunrise. Dressed ship with mast head flags at 8:00.
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At 9:00 sent a landing party of twenty men with arms and accoutrements with Ensigns Edie and Stearns to take part in the Cabrillo parade.

From an article in the Sacramento Daily Union  (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SDU18940929.2.4), they were celebrating the discovery of San Diego Bay. Thetis gets a name check for firing a 21 gun salute (although they don't mention that in the log  ???)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on February 29, 2016, 04:48:57 pm
November 4th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol019of024/vol019_031_1.jpg) - Magdalena Bay, Lower California
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Sold to the Commandante of the Port, who stated, that he and his family were in want, 100lbs flour, 25 lbs coffee, and 25 lbs sugar.
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Exchanged colors with Mexican Gunboat at 5:10 bound for San Francisco and offering to carry any messages. Accepted with thanks and requested to be reported "all well on board".
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 02, 2016, 08:28:52 am
November 11th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol019of024/vol019_038_1.jpg) - Magdalena Bay, Lower California
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Sent following stores to Commandante whose family was in need of provisions 2 bars soap, 100 lbs flour, 58 lbs sugar, 8 lbs tea, 18 lbs Tomatoes, 21 lbs Butter, 25 lbs Beans, 25 lbs Rice
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on March 02, 2016, 09:09:00 am
The rest of the provisions sound like a pretty typical month long fare for a reasonably sized family, but how was the Commandante so hard pressed that he couldn't get soap? With it being first on the list, was it intended as an insult? Something along the lines of "Hey, we appreciate all your hard work, but you kinda smell."
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 02, 2016, 09:59:42 am
It struck me as a very small amount of soap - and a lot of sugar and butter.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 04, 2016, 11:52:41 am
November 29th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol019of024/vol019_056_1.jpg) - Magdalena Bay, Lower Cal. Mail delivered by time-warp or confused log keeper? Definitely confused transcriber  ???
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8am to Meridian: Received Mail from U.S. by Str. St. Paul at 8:45. Also took on board from her a Mexican Government Official
I thought it was odd that they hadn't mentioned the ship appearing before and then...
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4 to 8pm: at 6:50 sighted lights of Steamer St. Paul bound South, sent a boat in charge of Lieut Moore for mail.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 07, 2016, 07:49:49 pm
December 16th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol019of024/vol019_073_1.jpg) - making passage to San Diego
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Jamieson T. (O.S.) confined for 2 days in solitary confinement on bread & water by order of Com. Officer for not keeping proper lookout - deliberately facing aft; after having been warned by Officer of Deck.
It wouldn't have been difficult to at least pretend to be keeping a lookout  ::)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 10, 2016, 11:31:48 am
December 28th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol019of024/vol019_085_1.jpg) - San Diego
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Per order of Comdg. officer confined in double irons for safe keeping and to await investigation J. Mack (F 2d cl), having been caught in an attempt to smuggle on board liquor. Confined B. Shore (Cor) per order of Comdg officer in single irons to await further action for being slow in obeying orders to assist M.A.A. to search J. Mack (2 cl F) for liquor and then attempting to destroy evidence as to the liquor smuggling.
I wonder if the method of attemting to destroy the eveidence was to drink it.  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on March 10, 2016, 07:57:46 pm
Sounds like a pleasant way to destroy evidence  ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on March 17, 2016, 10:08:08 pm
January 25th 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol019of024/vol019_113_1.jpg)
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At 6.35 came to anchor on Thetis Bank in 30 fms water
I wonder where they got that name from? ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 17, 2016, 10:11:06 pm
No idea, but it does sound vaguely familiar... ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on April 07, 2016, 01:01:47 am
May 2, 1895 in San Diego Bay

About 4:10 cries for help were heard about 3/4 miles down the Bay and the dinghy was sent to the rescue.  Two fishermen, Frank Lund and Henry Erdmann, were picked up while clinging to their boat that had capsized in a squall.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on April 07, 2016, 04:48:45 pm
Well done Thetis - you seem to be the heroes of rescues so often :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on April 08, 2016, 11:03:02 pm
I wonder about the story behind this (Thetis at Mare Island May 15, 1895):

The name of Carl Strom (Sea.) has this day been changed to that of John Erickson Nord.  By order of the Bureau of Navigation.

I happen to have 4 family members (across 3 generations) who have changed their names.  In one case it was to shorten the last name, two cases to escape (one due to desertion, one due to discrimination) and one to not be confused with others with the same name.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on April 09, 2016, 08:01:07 am
On Bear, Alfred Radebrecht (Seaman) had his name legally changed to Alfred Rader upon being fully naturalized.
However that is just a simplification rather than a complete change.
https://zooniverse-static.s3.amazonaws.com/old-weather-2015/The_Arctic_Frontier/Coast_Guard/Bear/Bear-1913-split/Bear-1913-0050-1.JPG
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Post by: leelaht on April 09, 2016, 02:54:53 pm
An unusual storm May 28, 1895, Mare Island

During first hour a storm approached from the N'd accompanied by rain, hail, thunder and lightning.  It continued for about an hour, passing away to the S'd and W'd.  The size and amount of the hail, and the frequency and severity of the thunder and lightning is perhaps unpredecented in this section.  There was very little wind.  During the passage of the storm, the wind shifted to NNE again shifting to WSW for remainder of watch.  Force light airs to gentle breeze.  Cloudy remainder of watch.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on May 10, 2016, 07:56:48 am
Tanks a lot!
Albatross 4th January 1897
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol029of055/vol029of055_009_1.jpg

Sent to the U.S.S. Thetis two eight gallon tanks in case, and eight gallons of alcohol.

Probably for collecting biological specimens.  Most likely seal stomachs.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 10, 2016, 04:02:43 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on May 11, 2016, 11:45:54 pm
Seal stomachs? Ummmm....why? Any ideas?  :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on May 12, 2016, 02:28:52 am
Mostly likely to see what's in them, i.e. feeding habits.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on May 15, 2016, 08:24:54 pm
September 19th 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol020of024/vol020_169_1.jpg) - San Francisco Bay - a busy morning
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Lieut Clark left the ship with Medical Officer and two Petty officer for recruiting duty on shore. Rec'd official visit from Comd'g. Officer of coast servey[sic] str McArthur. At 10:30 Comd'g Officer paid official visit to HMS Hyacinth. Recd Official visit from Flag Lieut for USFS Philadelphia. At 9:30 half masted colors following movement of Flagship.
I don't remember seeing them doing recruiting duty before.
This HMS Hyacinth isn't our phase 1/2 one as she was launched in 1898  :'(
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on May 15, 2016, 08:46:09 pm
Must have been this one - according to The Wiki, five ships have had that name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hyacinth_(1881) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hyacinth_(1881))
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on June 01, 2016, 05:29:38 pm
70% complete - yeah!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 01, 2016, 09:41:12 pm
February 6th 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol021of024/vol021_104_1.jpg)
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By order of Comd'g Officer PA Surg GA Lung and Ensign CL Hussey counted the cash and verified the balance of Asst Paym'r John Irwin Jr. all in the presence of the Comd'g Officer.
Did they think he'd been fiddling the books?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on July 01, 2016, 10:27:05 pm
Trust, but verify?  ???
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 01, 2016, 10:51:21 pm
Change of personnel?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 02, 2016, 08:47:34 am
Change of personnel?
I forgot to say they are in the middle of running soundings etc. off coast of Mexico, so not that.

It would seem sensible to have some sort of periodic audit but I don't remember seeing it mentioned before.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on July 10, 2016, 04:43:07 pm
6th March 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol021of024/vol021_133_1.jpg) - San Diego
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At 9.00 J.Hoff (Sea) reported that he was a deserter from the USS Monterey, that he enlisted in the Naval Service for three years on May 3rd 1895 at Callao Peru under the name of John Calasoff (his right name) and deserted from the Monterey in August 1895 at San  Diego, Cal. By direction of the Commanding Officer John Hoff was constituted a prisoner at large to await action of the Navy Department.
7th March 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol021of024/vol021_134_1.jpg)
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At 6am discovered that the dory had been taken from the ship in the night and left at San Diego dock. A search of the ship revealed that John Hoff (Sea) a prisoner at large, was absent from the ship, with-out authority.
Did he forget that he hadn't really liked the Navy the first time?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on July 10, 2016, 10:58:42 pm
Seems he took being a prisoner at large rather too literally!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 11, 2016, 07:01:14 am
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 03, 2016, 08:20:30 pm
June 8th 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol022of024/vol022_033_1.jpg) - Mare Island
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The Comd'g Officer assigned the following punishment: OK Kirkmann (OS) for Bathing without trunks, restricted from swimming privilege for one month and reduced to 2nd class.
:o :-[
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on September 03, 2016, 08:27:55 pm
 :o :o :o
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Post by: leelaht on September 05, 2016, 11:00:06 pm
Trouble on the Thetis, April 30, 1903 in Puget Sound, Wash

A Farrell os F Miller boy 2nd class boy left ship without permission 11:15 J Harston os A Farrell os WA Smith boy & F Miller boy returned aboard ship and without cause or provocation assaulted CF Connors, M at Arms who reported same to officer of deck.  Found men mutinous and armed with iron belaying irons reported conditions of affairs to Comdg Officer and at his order requested the assistance of the Marine Guard.  During the interval one or all of the above men forced the lock of (stir?) brig.  Having armed myself and the Bosn and Gunner together with the Chief Engr took stations of quarter deck to prevent men from leaving ship.  The above named men came aft, armed as before carrying their clothing and forced their way over the side.  Fired several shots after them in order to intimidate them.  Marine guard stopped them at head of dry dock and brought them back.  Placed them in double irons by order of the Comdg Officer and locked them (ace?) brigs.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on September 05, 2016, 11:10:10 pm
Wow, quite a bit of drama.  :o

Reminds me of a few of the whalers...  ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on September 05, 2016, 11:20:51 pm
and on May 1...

9:45 JP Harston os A Farrell os WA Smith boy & F Miller boy escaped from confinement on being taken to closet by Master-at-Arms.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 06, 2016, 06:12:40 pm
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on September 28, 2016, 01:54:08 am
fender bender in port, Sausalito Feb 27, 1904

About 600 strong tide eddy caught ship on stbd quarter and carried away 6" line to dolphin and before it could be replaced by another line the tide carried ship afoul of the stern of the USH transport "Warren" lying alongside of wharf.  Bent ford sailing-launch davit, smashed port side of bridge, and did minor damage to port forward rigging sail cracked two beams in ward-room (under supports to bridge) and slightly damaged scroll-work in ward room, port side.  Wash bowl in middle room, stbd side broken by falling bottle.  Warped alongside "Warren" and made fast.  Carried away Warren's flag-staff, chafed moulding on her stern, slightly dented one plate and scratched paint work slightly.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on September 28, 2016, 02:09:27 am
March 2 in San Francisco.... the repair bill:

Capt F.M. Wringer came on board and notified Comdg Officer of acceptance of bid of Risdon Iron Works to furnish material and do iron work to repairs to bridge etc for $200.00, ships force to do carpenters work.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 28, 2016, 10:22:42 am
Ouch!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on September 28, 2016, 07:41:50 pm
Risdon Iron works must love that eddy  ;) :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on September 30, 2016, 09:51:48 am
80% complete - wooo hoooo!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on September 30, 2016, 12:23:42 pm
Congratulations to the crew of Thetis - always good to reach another landmark!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 01, 2016, 12:30:56 am
I'll join Helen in offering congratulations on reaching that landmark!
Good luck with the final fifth  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on October 01, 2016, 02:12:36 pm
 8)

80% complete - wooo hoooo!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on October 07, 2016, 09:02:01 pm
Wow! Coming along fine.  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on October 15, 2016, 02:53:41 am
fair exchange with Bear?

17/11/1904, Sausalito CA
Transferred H Hamano, cabin steward, to Bear and received T Ohno, cabin steward, and S Nakagawa I c boy, from the Bear.  Transferred one Underwood typewriter to the Bear.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on October 15, 2016, 03:18:31 am
Depends, I suppose, on how troublesome the transferred parties were.  ;)

fair exchange with Bear?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 22, 2016, 11:11:05 am
The return of Dr. Jackson and the reindeer  :) - July 18th 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol592/vol592_060_1.jpg)
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9.45 Lieut. Hamlet and Dr. Jackson went ashore on sand spit to determine advisibility of landing reindeer there, returning at 10.50 with information that deer could be landed and cared for.
At 12.30 lowered three boats and commenced hobbling reindeer and loading them into boats. 1.20 boats in charge of Lieut. Hamlet and accompanied by Dr. jackson left ship and landed deer in good condition. Scrubbed boats ashore.
This reminded me of the book I'd come across while transcribing Bear - The Arctic Adventures of the Thetis (http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/arctic30-1-2.pdf) - which includes the above episode on page 5  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 22, 2016, 12:10:13 pm
July 20th 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol592/vol592_062_1.jpg) (despite it saying 1898 on log!)
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Sent officer on shore, who learned that no reindeer could be bought from the large herd nearby because illness in the familiy of the owner prevented by native superstition.
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Natives came on board but would not trade for reindeer as the herders were some ten miles inland and those on board owned no deer. Could find no way to communicate with inland herds.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 22, 2016, 12:55:54 pm
July 23rd 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol592/vol592_065_1.jpg)
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at 7.40 Lieut. Hamlet and interpreter went on shore and conferred with deer-men & returning at 7.15. Reindeer men came aboard at 7.25 and refused to go after deer unless furnished whiskey which was not done.
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9.00 Native chief came off and promised to have deer herd to Ed of Cape Serdze-Kamen tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on October 22, 2016, 02:08:47 pm
What did they want to do with reindeer?  ???
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 22, 2016, 03:47:29 pm
Bit early for Christmas  ;)

They were being transported to Alaska with the idea to provide a livelihood for the natives there who were struggling due to all the commercial sealing and whaling going on. It was the idea of Dr. Sheldon Jackson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Jackson) and Capt. Healy of the Bear.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on October 22, 2016, 03:51:26 pm
Yup, it's an interesting bit of Alaska history... a brief summary can be found here: http://www.alaskool.org/projects/reindeer/history/iser1969/rdeer_1.html
Unalga too transported reindeers in its early voyages... by chance, Unalga commander at that time was Harry Gabriel Hamlet :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 22, 2016, 03:57:37 pm
24th July 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol592/vol592_066_1.jpg)
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6-35-00 Sounded alarm of fire, first water 6-36-05 - Port gangway being closed for reindeer pens and decks filled with natives interfering with manning and working of pumps. 7.15 sent Lieut. Hamlet ashore in charge of boats with interpreter and barter goods to exchange for reindeer. Employed during remainder of watch in bartering, hobbling and transporting reindeer to vessel.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on October 22, 2016, 05:41:41 pm
July 26th 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol592/vol592_068_1.jpg) - somewhere near Cape Prince of Wales, Alaska
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7.05 Commenced hobbling and loading deer in boats. 7.35 Lt Hamlet left vessel with final boat load.
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9.00 having landed 40 deer in good condition and turned them over to Mr. Lapps herders - Washed decks and hoisted boats
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 22, 2016, 05:43:01 pm
This is fascinating. I'd caught up with the story of Healy's reindeer when we first got the Bear. I think it was Janet Jaguar who mentioned them. :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on October 22, 2016, 08:25:53 pm
I remember very well how they fitted out the Bear to accommodate reindeer and all those voyages between Siberia and Alaska. Here's a link to Sheldon Jackson, the inspiration for all this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Jackson.


Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on October 25, 2016, 02:45:36 am
Aug 12 1906

At 10:00 Commanding Officer married a native couple Ittok (man) and Tisudlok (woman) both of Point Barrow, Alaska.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 25, 2016, 06:20:31 pm
That's a nice part of the Captain's job :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on October 25, 2016, 07:17:04 pm
Odd - I thought sea captains can't perform marriages ...

(One Googling later) - they can't, but the US Navy didn't ban it until 1913.

Quote from: The Wiki
Officiating marriages

There is a common belief that ship captains have historically been, and currently are, able to perform marriages. In most countries of ship's registry, this is certainly a myth.[27]

The United States Navy defined a captain?s powers in its 1913 Code of Regulations, stating: "The commanding officer shall not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship or aircraft. He shall not permit a marriage ceremony to be performed on board when the ship or aircraft is outside the territory of the United States" with the exceptions being "in accordance with local laws and the laws of the state, territory, or district in which the parties are domiciled" and "In the presence of a diplomatic or consular official of the United States, who has consented to issue the certificates and make the returns required by the consular regulations." There are a few contradictory legal precedents: courts didn?t recognize a shipboard marriage in California's 1898 Norman v. Norman but did in New York's 1929 Fisher v. Fisher (notwithstanding the absence of municipal laws so carried) and in 1933's Johnson v. Baker, an Oregon court ordered the payment of death benefits to a widow because she had established that her marriage at sea was lawful.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 25, 2016, 09:43:51 pm
Well I guess weddings involve all sorts of relations that can't get married - so a lot more technical than a burial at sea  :-[
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on October 26, 2016, 12:19:03 pm
I'd wondered about that too, as it was part of my training to learn that ship's captains certainly can't perform marriages here now.  I wondered whether things were different in America, or perhaps just when you're a long way from authority!
Thanks hanibal for following that up and satisfying my curiosity.
Weddings are indeed complicated - far more legal requirements than burials.  Gave me sleepless nights the first few times, hoping I wouldn't miss out anything crucial, and would get everything signed by the right people in the right places using the right ink!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 26, 2016, 07:18:35 pm
I'd wondered about that too, as it was part of my training to learn that ship's captains certainly can't perform marriages here now.  I wondered whether things were different in America, or perhaps just when you're a long way from authority!
Thanks hanibal for following that up and satisfying my curiosity.
Weddings are indeed complicated - far more legal requirements than burials.  Gave me sleepless nights the first few times, hoping I wouldn't miss out anything crucial, and would get everything signed by the right people in the right places using the right ink!

I guess we rarely think about the official's side of a wedding.  :-\  A friend of mine married in a Buddhist centre in a newly opened hall. The hall had to be registered for such offices. However the registrar's office also moved at that time, and the regsitrar was on holiday in Canada at the time. So when she returned she had to run (literally) from pillar to post to register her new office, re-register herself, register the Buddhist hall and snatch a breath before the wedding the next day. We laughed about it afterwards, but it was a close-run thing :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on October 26, 2016, 11:57:07 pm
By the way, Thetis was not in port at the time, tethered to ice off the coast.
There was some comings and goings I didn't pay close attention to, but this event caught my eye.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on October 30, 2016, 12:53:03 am
Showing the colors:
Dec 7, 1906 - Received from the Department by express the following flags:

1 national ensign 8 1/2' x 16'
1      "            "     6 1/3' x 12'
6     "            "      4 1/4' x 8 '
6     "            "      3 1/4' X 6'
1     "        pennant 5" x 20'
1      "             "       4" x 9'
1 revenue ensign 5' x 8'
8      "            "      2 1/2' x 4'
2 revenue pennant 6" x 30'
4      "             "       5" x 20'
6      "             "       3" x 6'
1 Union Jack, 10 yds each of red, white, and blue bunting and 5 yds yellow bunting, 19" wide
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on October 30, 2016, 01:02:51 am
Dec 9, 1906
Released D Kelly seaman and J Burns fireman from brig on account of serious effect on skin health reported by surgeon.

[D Kelly deserted the next day.]
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 30, 2016, 11:06:09 am
Ironic name 'J Burns, firemen'  ::)

I'm intrigued by the skin condition, but obviously it was the final straw for D Kelly  :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on October 31, 2016, 12:39:05 pm
Is anybody other than me, Jil and leelaht transcribing the Thetis? If so, please post here ASAP!

Jil and I are sharing a stream, and we've worked out a system to avoid leapfrogging. But we recently noticed that someone else is in that stream too.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 31, 2016, 07:24:54 pm
Hi! It's probably Mergie who came here through Panoptes talk but found that the Whalers were all in a virtual reality dockyard. She's really happy to do some work and it would be lovely if she could carry on with Thetis. Would you like me to find out more about when she's likely to be on  the system? It will be a little higgledy-piggledy necessarily.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on October 31, 2016, 08:06:21 pm
Yes, please do tell us when she's typically on, and what her Zooniverse username (not OW forum name) is.
However, Thetis may not be the best ship for a new person because she has some logs with a weird format, similar to the Jamestown 1844:
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol594/vol594_013_1.jpg

Does Mergie know how to handle such logs?
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 31, 2016, 08:51:11 pm
She's only done a page or so. And at the moment I feel quite confident about how she's dealing with it. She doesn't get a lot of time so she's unlikely to cause many interruptions.  :)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on October 31, 2016, 09:01:16 pm
Only a page or so?
I doubt that, given what Janet mentioned:

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When I started yesterday morning it was already up to mid August 1900. I assumed you'd carried on after you'd PMed me, but then when I did a few more pages at lunchtime the log had moved on a bit more. No issues with skipping while actually transcribing so not a problem. I'd got as far as mid Nov 1900 when I stopped.

This was on a day when it was her turn, so I didn't transcribe any Thetis pages at all.
If she's correct, either Mergie did way more than "a page or so" or we have a fourth person in the stream.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on October 31, 2016, 09:37:11 pm
You've got a fourth person - Mergie's quite busy and is only likely to be fitting in the odd page I suspect  :D
That's the problem with so few ships being available. There's only four one-star ships  :-\
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on November 01, 2016, 12:19:12 am
I noticed some new names in the OW rankings... maybe one of them found Thetis.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 02, 2016, 10:57:03 pm
November 11th 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol596/vol596_140_1.jpg) - Union Bay BC
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At 3.00pm Anton Svendsen (Sea) was reported by 2nd Lieut Ulke, for insubordination and mutinous conduct. At the time he was under the forecastle where the crew was collected and inducing them to refuse duty, and to stand together in a body and refuse to do a stroke of work after 4pm. He was called aft and upon being cautioned again for creating a disturbance on board the ship he called the Executive Officer "a liar" and called the officer of the deck a "God damn liar", repeating same several times, and was very abusive and profane, threatening that he would fix the officer of the deck as soon as he caught him ashore. Placed him in double irons and confined him in the brig on a diet of bread & water
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 03, 2016, 09:36:23 pm
November 11th 1901 was a Monday and I hazard to suggest that Mr Sevndsen was probably having a bit of a bad start to the week  :o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 05, 2016, 09:15:15 pm
Right now, the Thetis has a mix of normal logs and "weird" ones with very little detail, sometimes just text - like the Jamestown 1844.
The normal and weird ones often overlap, but while transcribing them, I noticed something great: The parts of weird logs that overlap with normal ones were NOT added to the interface.
In other words, me and Jil and whoever else is on this stream only have to transcribe the weird ones when they are the only source for that period of time.
For example:

596: June - Nov 1901 -> Normal, all of it was uploaded for transcribing

598: Feb 1901 - Mar 1902 -> Weird, only Feb - June 1901 and Nov 1901 to Mar 1902 were uploaded

Many thanks to whoever set this up!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on November 05, 2016, 09:27:00 pm
Wow, interesting. I had to do some URL editing to find a 'weird' example, I get Vol 600 when I select Transcribe.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 05, 2016, 10:06:56 pm
It's good to know that the early stages of the transcription process were so carefully dealt with - as we would expect from past times  :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 12, 2016, 08:39:27 pm
90% complete!!!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 12, 2016, 09:04:07 pm
Gosh - well done Crew Thetis! The last 10% to go. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on November 12, 2016, 09:10:21 pm
Go, Team Thetis!  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on November 14, 2016, 08:48:17 am
Have you switched sides? ;) :P

U.S.S. Yorktown - At anchor off Yokohama, Japan.

12-09-1902 - Meridian to 4 P.M.:
At 12:30 P.M. the S.M.S. Thetis came into the harbor and anchored inside of the breakwater and fired a salute of 15 guns, French ensign at the fore, also a salute of 13 guns, American ensign at the fore, which salutes were answered by both American and French Flagships gun for gun, German flag at the fore.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol026of040/vol026of040_097_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol026of040/vol026of040_097_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 14, 2016, 10:27:58 am
  :o ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 14, 2016, 05:11:34 pm
Nope - it's a different Thetis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Thetis

I wonder if she and the USS Thetis ever met?  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 14, 2016, 07:27:28 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 15, 2016, 08:14:14 pm
fair exchange with Bear?

17/11/1904, Sausalito CA
Transferred H Hamano, cabin steward, to Bear and received T Ohno, cabin steward, and S Nakagawa I c boy, from the Bear.  Transferred one Underwood typewriter to the Bear.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_151_1.jpg ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 15, 2016, 09:38:24 pm
That's an amusing exchange :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 18, 2016, 10:17:06 am
June 16th 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol605/vol605_067_1.jpg)
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Commanding Officer landed on Lisiansky Island to superintend the rounding up of the Japanese and at 11 oclock began transporting them with their personal effects off to the ship.
At 6 o'clock finished work of baoting having brought off 77 Japanese for transportation to Honolulu.On account of ~~~ all their freight, consisting chiefly of feathers & packed birds, was left under cover after posting a notice informing any new arrivals of the departure of the owners (Japanese) by the Thetis on June 16 & giving any vessel leave to carry away all freight remaining.
June 24th 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol605/vol605_075_1.jpg) - Honolulu
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Made arrangements with Japanese Consul & US Quarantine Officer to land 77 Japanese, transporting them with all their belongings to immegration wharf, finished at 3.00pm. Supplied Japanese passengers with available portions of ship's rations that could be spared & replaced same or everyday? vouchers at a cost of $43.15.
Found some more info about Lisianski Island (http://www.janeresture.com/lisianski/) and this incident. Also another mention for Thetis in January 1910.  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 18, 2016, 12:08:59 pm
The duplicate log versions are a bit more legible:
16th June 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol606/vol606_066_1.jpg) The ~~~ bit is
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On account of sea & wind all their freight...
24th June 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol606/vol606_074_1.jpg)  So that last bit should read:
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Supplied Japanese passengers with available portion of ship's rations that could be spared & replaced same on emergency voucher at a cost of $43.15.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on November 21, 2016, 05:42:03 pm
I entered the 4 am temperature as 42.5 - is that OK?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol608/vol608_007_1.jpg
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2016, 05:46:16 pm
It might be better to stick with straight TWYS and enter it as 43/42.

Philip usually follows the forum, but I can send him a note to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on November 21, 2016, 11:29:54 pm
I would just TWYS, 43/42.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on November 26, 2016, 10:53:50 am
August 21st 1906 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol610/vol610_083_1.jpg)
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10-30 the "Gjoa" rounded Pt. Barrow, anchored close to the Sch "Duchess of Bedford" and was boarded by the steam launch. She left Hershel Isld. Aug 11th, and worked in shoal water finding it necessary in one place to go in 1 1/2 fms water. Capt. Amundsen reported that he got in touch with the pack in 3 fms water in several places.

The Fram Museum has lots of details on Amundsen's Gjoa expedition (http://www.frammuseum.no/Polar-Expedition/The-Northwest-Passage-(1903-1906).aspx), the first to navigate the NW Passage. They had spent the winter 1905/6 at Herschel Island, so this was the last leg of the expedition.  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on November 26, 2016, 01:36:59 pm
 8) 8) 8)
Super cool story jil
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 26, 2016, 03:11:39 pm
Join OW, meet famous people! ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 08, 2016, 09:19:51 pm
99% complete! Almost there.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on December 08, 2016, 10:29:06 pm
 8)

99% complete! Almost there.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on December 09, 2016, 05:24:39 pm
99% complete! Almost there.

Patterson too! We're gonna see two big ones get finished off before the end of the year.  8)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on December 11, 2016, 02:01:03 pm
Just wanted to mention that the weather codes in log 613, Jan - June 1908, often contain small p's that look like f's. ,
For example: https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol613/vol613_138_0.jpg

I think the scientists should be told about this because I unfortunately mistook the p's for f's for a long time and transcribed them as such.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 11, 2016, 02:26:12 pm
Thanks, Hanibal.
I think Philip checks the forum pretty carefully, but I copied this to him to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 12, 2016, 12:01:52 pm
100% complete - woo hooooo.... oh, wait a minute there's still at least 1 full log book and a bit to go. Rounding  >:(  ;)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on December 12, 2016, 12:47:30 pm
Details, details.  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on December 12, 2016, 08:31:42 pm
I just started the very last logbook!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 14, 2016, 05:53:21 pm
August 14th 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol614/vol614_051_1.jpg) - off Icy Cape, Alaska
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At 5.45pm, placed Second Lieutenant M.S. Hay in arrest for drunkenness on duty, neglect of duty, scandalous conduct tending to the destruction of good morals, and conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, pending the preferring of charges and the trial thereof.
:o
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 14, 2016, 05:54:47 pm
 :o :o !
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 14, 2016, 06:05:44 pm
August 15th 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol614/vol614_052_1.jpg)
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By order of the Commanding Officer, Second Lieutenant M.S. Hay, USRCS, was released from arrest and temporarily restored to duty, his services being necessary; and was denied the privilege of the wine mess for a period of thirty days
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 14, 2016, 06:25:51 pm
I just started the very last logbook!

Wow hanibal! That really is some record  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 16, 2016, 04:04:25 pm
Further to Mr. Hay's conduct unbecoming
23rd September 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol614/vol614_092_1.jpg) - Unalaska
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The Commanding officer informed Second Lieutenant M.S. Hay, USRCS, that he was confined to the limits of the vessel, although by order of the Commanding Officer he was on August 15, 1908, released from arrest and temporarily restored to duty.
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Second Lieutenant M.S. Hay addressed a letter to Senior Captain F.M. Munger, USRCS, Commanding Bering Sea Patrol Fleet alleging that his confinement, mentioned above, is contrary to the Regulations of the US Revenue Cutter Service, and requested that he be granted usual liberty.
He had got back the privilege of the Wine Mess a few days previously
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 16, 2016, 04:15:59 pm
He seems to have learned his lesson ;)
https://books.google.com/books?id=lVQ-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA531&lpg=PA531&dq=M.S.+Hay#v=onepage&q=M.S.%20Hay&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=iAEWAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA706&lpg=PA706&dq=M.S.+Hay#v=onepage&q=M.S.%20Hay&f=false

It seems like he was a hero earlier: http://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/lccn/sn83025138/1908-04-03/ed-1/seq-9/ Column 6 - Thetis picks up two men
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 16, 2016, 04:44:38 pm
Spoilers!  ;)

September 24th 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol614/vol614_093_1.jpg)
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At the request of Captain G.M. Daniels, USRCS, preseident of a board of investigation, convened by order of the Commanding Officer of the Bering Sea Patrol Fleet, the Commanding Officer released Second Lieutenant M.S. Hay, USRCS, from arrest and all duty for the purpose of attending sessions of such board during such time as his presence may be required.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on December 17, 2016, 03:32:47 pm
And she's done - I just completed the last logbook, and got the usual message! Yay!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on December 17, 2016, 03:35:02 pm
 8) 8) 8)

Great work, all!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on December 17, 2016, 04:41:26 pm
Yeah!!!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on December 17, 2016, 05:29:04 pm
That was fast!
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on December 17, 2016, 07:11:14 pm
That was quick work! Wonderful job Crew Thetis - let's hang out some britches bunting to celebrate!!  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/mnj7MEB.png)
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 17, 2016, 10:40:01 pm
I'll notify the PTB
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 18, 2016, 04:21:22 am
Are you bored?   Are you out of ideas for Christmas presents?

We don't have the new OW running yet, but you could still walk through some pages and try find some ice for Philip and Kevin ;)
You can find the links here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=40.0), and if you are really enthusiastic you can stake out a claim for pages and/or report pages searched.
Title: Re: Thetis -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 20, 2016, 04:17:33 pm
Adam has marked Thetis as complete