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Title: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 28, 2013, 03:05:07 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 28, 2013, 03:05:59 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 16, 2013, 08:10:05 am
See Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3933.0) for comments prior to this date.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on October 16, 2013, 01:23:56 pm
Punx
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 07, 2013, 07:10:44 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 08, 2013, 11:38:43 am
After having tabbed over "Attached Thermometer" about 12000 times on the Unalga it's going to take a while to change my habits. I keep getting to the last box with one item still left to enter.  I'm like an old horse on a milk run  :D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 08, 2013, 11:55:24 am
How I know that feeling!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 08, 2013, 01:54:52 pm
The Jamestown ran out of coal. They were using about a half a ton per day moored in Sitka Alaska.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol041of040/vol041of067_099_0.jpg

Then they stopped recording the amount used and the amount on hand for as far ahead as I checked.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 08, 2013, 02:31:13 pm
It seems the ship's crew is particularly disobedient and unruly.

I can't read the last paragraph perfectly but here's the gist of it

 
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M Quenlan Cap ~ by recommendation of ~ of Officer  x to Seaman, for "scandalous conduct on shore.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol041of040/vol041of067_101_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 08, 2013, 04:19:01 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_006_0.jpg shows a rate Captain of Tops ?
Board of Officers ?
disrated (using Matteo's image coupler) ?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 08, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_006_0.jpg shows a rate Captain of Tops ?
...

Found this chart in Wiki article on Petty Officers.  Captains of Tops and other parts of the ship are junior petty officers.  It's interesting in that it divides the table of organization into layers as to the percentage of prize money given them.

click to enlarge
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Warrantchart.png)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 08, 2013, 07:47:35 pm
Good find, Janet  8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 08, 2013, 09:09:02 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 10, 2013, 01:01:04 pm
A seaman's sentence was reduce from 30 days to 20 days on bread and water because of his voluntary return and other positive actions.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol041of040/vol041of067_119_1.jpg  Meridian to 4.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 10, 2013, 01:08:00 pm
 :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 10, 2013, 03:12:14 pm
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Private Sacket yesterday refused to perform any duty, the man having been asked on over time in his liberty, it was thought that intoxication to an extent not extremely perceptible, influenced his actions, but today at the mast he was firm and ~ in refusing to perform any further duty in the ship, and refused to give any reason for this actions. At this time the man was perfectly sober and respectful. I am undecided whether it is a case for General Cont or a ~ Asylum the man is confined for further developments.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol041of040/vol041of067_123_1.jpg  8PM to midnight
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 10, 2013, 03:40:48 pm
Lunatic ?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 10, 2013, 04:18:03 pm
I'd say, "...a case for General Court or a Lunatic Asylum ..."
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 10, 2013, 04:52:53 pm
That looks right.  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 10, 2013, 07:25:21 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 12, 2013, 02:55:44 pm
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Considerable noise in the Indian Village but settling down into some very orderly singing which continued all the watch.

Perhaps the ship's officers could learn something from the natives here  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol041of040/vol041of067_145_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on November 12, 2013, 03:24:46 pm
The 4 - 8 pm entry on that page suggests that the next night might be quieter... ;D

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Considerable noise in the Indian Village but settling down into some very orderly singing which continued all the watch.

Perhaps the ship's officers could learn something from the natives here  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol041of040/vol041of067_145_1.jpg

Is this a typical day for this log?  I'm transcribing the Jamestown's logs from Porto Grande, Cape Verde Is. in 1845.  So far,  it's much less lively!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 12, 2013, 04:04:46 pm
There's usually a lot of punishments being handed out, Carolyn. The ship has been in Sitka Alaska for the last month and a half. They are surveying and building infrastructure. The sailors tend to desert or come back late from leave, usually drunk. I note that one of the Lieutenants was punished for being drunk on duty. So if  you like that sort of thing you will be well served.  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on November 12, 2013, 04:19:21 pm
The 1845 logs seems to have less interest (or at least, recorded interest) in the local comings and goings.  I thought the reference to the stills and their 'capture' was interesting! 

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 12, 2013, 04:50:07 pm
If you hang in until about 1850 the Jamestown witnessed a battle in Sicily - the War of the Two Sicilys). Have a look at my postings in the J. 1845 thread. This ship and several others, including "Old Ironsides" (USS Constitution) were keeping an eye on US interests in the Mediterranean during that time because of the revolutions going on in several countries.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on November 12, 2013, 04:54:47 pm
Cool! Thanks for the history lessons!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 13, 2013, 07:21:31 am
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 13, 2013, 07:22:12 am
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 13, 2013, 09:52:41 am
Welcome aboard, EBaldwin!

Thanks for the mention, Randi. By now I am almost able to avoid tabbing over the attached thermometer column - as long as I don't lapse into automatic pilot mode  :D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 14, 2013, 07:36:20 pm
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000 mark!

 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 17, 2013, 03:03:22 pm
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2500 and 3000 marks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 17, 2013, 03:04:48 pm
* Piping aboard Captain gastcra *
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 19, 2013, 12:04:14 am
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Anna hootz the Indian Policeman seized a canoe with "hootchenoo" in it and brought it alongside. For a punishment and as a warning to the others returned the goods but destroyed the hootchenoo and broke up the canoe

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_030_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 19, 2013, 12:16:19 am
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At 7.50 PM discovered the U.S. Custom House on fire and sent first and second cutters with working parties, two fire extinguishers, one pump and hose to extinguish fire.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_031_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 19, 2013, 12:50:44 am
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Anna hootz the Indian Policeman seized a canoe with "hootchenoo" in it and brought it alongside. For a punishment and as a warning to the others returned the goods but destroyed the hootchenoo and broke up the canoe

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_030_1.jpg

Now this one had several words that had me wondering what and who exactly they were talking about.  Googling "hootchenoo" and "Annahootz Tlingit" proved to be very simple and productive.  :)

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hoo?chi?noo  [hoo-chuh-noo, hoo-chuh-noo] 
noun, plural hoo?chi?noos.
a type of distilled liquor made by Alaskan Indians.
Also, hootchinoo.
Origin:
1875?80,  Americanism; orig. the name of a Tlingit village on Admiralty Island, Alaska, reputed to be a source of illicit liquor; alteration of Tlingit xucnu?w?  literally, brown bear's fort ( x??c  brown bear + nu?w  fortified place)

image: http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg21/id/1024/rec/1
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Title   Indian Police Force, Sitka 1881.
Description   Title taken from accompanying text.
Text: In the foreground is Annahootz and beside him is Mary Klan Tech daughter of a subchief of the Kokwanton clan. Mary was sent by Annahootz to warn the white population of Sitka on the night of February 6th. The other policemen cannot be positively identified although an attempt was made to compare them with later known photographs of Katlean, Sitka Jack and Dick Tagich who along with Annahootz were the first Indian policemen appointed by the Navy governors. Beardslee immediately saw the benefits of appointing Indian police officers to control their own people. He enrolled selected and reliable members of the local clans on the Jamestown's roster so that they could be paid a salary as crewmen. They were also given naval uniforms and Annahootz as Chief of the Indian Police is shown in the photograph wearing a naval officer's uniform. The Indian police system was continued and expanded by Beardslee's successors and also by the first civil governors of Alaska.
From: Armed Forces on the West Coast.  Edited by John Lengellier. Article: "Law and Order on the Alaska Frontier: the Period of Naval Rule (1879-1884)."
(Googling "Annahootz" gets a very modern site: http://annahootzadventures.com/index.php
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 19, 2013, 01:06:55 am
Good find, Janet. Kevin made a post about hooch some time ago in the Yukon logs.

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3346.msg64361;topicseen#msg64361

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3346.msg64904#msg64904

Have another look at my two (above) posts together  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 19, 2013, 01:10:19 am
Someone was real upset about the fate of the hootchinoo, for sure!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 19, 2013, 07:39:06 am
Fascinating about the Indian Police Force, Janet!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 20, 2013, 02:43:07 pm
The log keeper has begun to record on a consistent basis the temperature on shore in the column with heading "State of the Sea".

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_061_0.jpg

Is the science team interested in this?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 20, 2013, 03:25:02 pm
I have asked Philip.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 20, 2013, 10:42:05 pm
gastcra (Craig) passes the 4000 mark!


Whee!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 20, 2013, 10:44:00 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 21, 2013, 12:34:10 am

January 6, 1880 (even though the log says 1879)

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This being the Christmas of the Greek Church, and there being much suffering among the poor, on account of the unprecedented cold weather, A quantity of beef and bread amounting to   lbs of the former and    lbs of the latter, was given to the poor as the contribution of the Government in assistance of a charitable ~ which was being made by citizens of Sitka and officers of the ship the provisions & other presents were divided equitably between the Creoles and Indians.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_063_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 21, 2013, 01:11:53 am
a nice gesture.  Merry Christmas to the Russian peasants.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2013, 07:31:36 am
That is very nice!

I have seen some other references to Greek Orthodox Christians in Alaska. I suppose that that is not surprising given that the US bought Alaska from Russia. - Although Russian Orthodox would seem more likely :-\
(Maybe this explains it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Orthodox_Church_in_America_.28OCA.29 ?)

I think the ~ is issueand also the word you transcribed as given may be issued.
(Also, "This being" should probably be "This day being")
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 21, 2013, 10:21:56 am
Thanks, Randi.

It seems that it was Russian Orthodox church in Alaska at that time but Greek Orthodox churches became prevalent in eastern U.S. in the last part the 19th century. Perhaps the log keeper mixed the two .
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2013, 10:41:31 am
Just found this:
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The Greek Orthodox presence in Alaska dates to the early eighteenth century when Greeks accompanied the first Russian Orthodox missionaries. However, it was not until the early 1900s that large numbers of Greeks first arrived to work on construction of the Alaska Railroad. After its completion, a small number remained in the railroad camp at the head of Cook Inlet, which became Anchorage. For many years, the nearest Orthodox parish was St. Nicholas Russian Orthodox Church in Eklutna, a village 35 miles north of Anchorage.
http://transfiguration.ak.goarch.org/
... and other stuff that confused me thoroughly!
The time period seems to be a factor.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 21, 2013, 11:09:06 am
It's nice to see that they got along together.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2013, 06:53:37 pm
The log keeper has begun to record on a consistent basis the temperature on shore in the column with heading "State of the Sea".

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_061_0.jpg

Is the science team interested in this?

From Philip:
I'm always tempted by such things but I don't see any easy way to use it - we don't know how the observation was made or exactly where (height, distance from the shore)
They'd be nice to have as events, but we shouldn't require them.

I am distinctly curious about why they were making such measurements - what were they trying to find out?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 21, 2013, 07:22:24 pm
My guess, whether staying on board was any better at all than holing up in a cabin on shore.  When winter weather drops below 0oF (-18oC), they may have had to prove to the crew or themselves that the ship was actually warmer (or at least less frigid.)  But that's just the way my mind works when I want to distract myself from feeling miserably cold.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 21, 2013, 08:38:07 pm
Here's the only comment I saw:

01 Jan, 1880

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The temperature on shore from 1st inst to ~  marked with * are taken from record kept by Mr Anslim

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_062_0.jpg

Curiously, the temp noted beside 9 AM doesn't correspond to that in the last column on the right.

They stopped recording wet bulb when it got too cold. Then they began recording surface water temperature  but only 4 to 6 times a day. It's as though they wanted to compensate for the loss of the wet bulb data. Related to Janet's speculation, they have not recorded any coal received or consumed since about September or so and they have been in Sitka for a long time before that.

I wasn't eager to record the shore data unless I could fit them into the weather observation tab. (Here's where vertical filling would be handy - just mentioning  ;D ::) )
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 21, 2013, 09:09:39 pm
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Compared the shore and ship's thermometer & found that shore thermometer has the permanent error of minus one degree by the ship's thermometer for the range of temperature observed   11 degrees F to 21 degrees F.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_074_1.jpg

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2013, 09:15:22 pm
Or is it that the ship thermometer has the permanent error of plus one degree by the shore's thermometer? ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 21, 2013, 09:38:47 pm
Perhaps they had already verified the ship's thermometer before they began the voyage. I would like to think so  ;D 

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 22, 2013, 01:02:11 pm
26/01/1880

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Gunner C. Stuart, USN with D. Sokoloff (sea) left the ship having in charge 50 Remington Rifles, 1 Gatling Gun, and appliances and 2000 rounds rifle ammunition to be delivered to the Committee of Safety at Wrangle for protection against Indians.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_083_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 24, 2013, 10:50:29 pm
gastcra (Craig) passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 26, 2013, 02:03:35 pm
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Commander Beardslee by means of the Indian policeman, caused to be released an Indian boy who had been found and confind in the Indian vauche for exercising witchcraft, and had an interview with the Shaaman or Indian doctor at the Custom House and forced him to return ten blankets to a sick man from whom he had received them as a fee for designating the witch.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_136_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on November 26, 2013, 02:21:04 pm
Wow. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 26, 2013, 03:07:19 pm
I don't generally record remarks about people, Carolyn, but I am intrigued by the relationship between the navy and the natives. John Muir (founder of the Sierra Club) provides a lot of this type of information in his book,  The Cruise of the Corwin. The Corwin was one of the first US ships I transcribed.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on November 27, 2013, 02:29:10 am
I've only transcribed a few ships, some of them from the WW1 logs, and haven't seen one yet that describes such interactions between a ship's crew and the local inhabitants.  Was Muir aboard the Corwin in the logs you transcribed?  That must have been cool.

I started transcribing for the weather, but really got hooked on the action in the remarks, especially with those WW1 ships. I record names and lots of other remarks in hopes that it will make it easier for someone to find the information if they're searching for it.   No threat to your captaincy ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 27, 2013, 03:15:44 am
We did the voyage that included Muir as part of the beta run on the new interface back in 2012.  But we left lots of discussion.

This is the Corwyn's discussion topic: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3002.0
This is the Corwyn's reference page: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3273.0 - there are a number of references here to reports to the navy by its Captain Healy, who is a very astonishing person in his own right.  He and the Corwyn were the first cutter from the Revenue Cutter Service (now the Coast Guard) to sail the arctic, and he created the goals expected of such up there.

This is Muir's account of that voyage: http://www.uscg.mil/history/docs/The_Cruise_of_the_Corwin.pdf


The ship is still open, as there are more logs coming eventually with logs of its later voyages in the arctic.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 27, 2013, 10:48:53 am
I've only transcribed a few ships, some of them from the WW1 logs, and haven't seen one yet that describes such interactions between a ship's crew and the local inhabitants.  Was Muir aboard the Corwin in the logs you transcribed?  That must have been cool.

I started transcribing for the weather, but really got hooked on the action in the remarks, especially with those WW1 ships. I record names and lots of other remarks in hopes that it will make it easier for someone to find the information if they're searching for it.   No threat to your captaincy ;)

Muir was aboard, Carolyn, but he doesn't make it into the ship's log very much. The book that Janet provided a link to is included in a bigger volume I purchased. It's quite fascinating. He was very observant and provides vivid descriptions. I am looking forward to transcribing other Corwin logs when they come available, even though Muir won't be on them.

I note in The Live and Letters of John Muir that he made a second trip to Alaska on the California and he paid a visit to Commander Beardslee of the Jamestown when in Sitka on August 11 1880. I am only up to March of that year so I don't know if he is mentioned in the Jamestown log yet. The book I have on Muir is 900 pages long and contains all his writings. (I was lucky to get a used copy in excellent condition from Amazon).

I never worry if anyone overtakes me. I was quite happy being 1st Lieutenant to Matteo on the Unalga for several months. I didn't have the heavy responsibility of being captain.   ;D  My main concern is getting a lot of weather information to the science team, although I do occasionally record events and people that I think may be of general interest.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 27, 2013, 12:15:03 pm
I have been following the sailors who have previously been court-martailed and sentenced to one month on bread and water (with regular meal every 5 days) to see how much of a deterrent this was.

John H Turnbull (Sea) was thus sentenced on Dec. 11, 1879 and was released one month later. Now it's March 28, 1880 and he was AWOL

John H Turnbull (Sea) was arrested on shore and by order of Commander L.A. Beardslee Commanding was confined in double irons to await trial by Court-Martail.

I wonder what sentence he will receive this time  :o

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 27, 2013, 01:40:45 pm
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John H Turnbull (Sea) having been brought on board from the guard-house, called all hands to muster and read the finding and sentence of the Summary Court-Martial which tried him. He was found guilty and sentenced to the following punishment: namely, solitary confinement in double irons on bread and water, with full rations every fifth day and to the loss of two month's pay as seaman amounting to 43 dollars. The findings and sentence were approved the portion of the sentence involving a forfeiture of pay to be referred to the Honorable Secretary of the Navy for his approval and the Court was dissolved. Confined John Turnbull (Sea) in conformity with the Sentence of the Summary Court Martial in double irons on shore by order of Commander L.A. Beardslee, Commanding.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_149_1.jpg

There is no mention of the length of solitary confinement
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 27, 2013, 02:14:58 pm
This doesn't help here, but it might be useful another time: https://archive.org/stream/reportsofcaptain00unit#page/n7/mode/2up
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 27, 2013, 04:57:36 pm
That is something that should go on the reference page for the ship.  They also have it in text format so browser search function can be used.  http://archive.org/stream/reportsofcaptain00unit/reportsofcaptain00unit_djvu.txt

I was looking to see if there were any other such reports from him, but couldn't find any.  I did find his obituary from Arlington Cemetery.  http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/labeard.htm
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 27, 2013, 05:01:27 pm
The format I linked to is searchable - though the search might not find everything :-\
I find this format easier to read.

This, and the one in the 1844 Discussion, added to Reference topic ;)

There are some letters from Jamestown by him, but they are not on line :'(
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on November 28, 2013, 03:51:33 am
Thanks, Craig, Janet, and Randi!  So many connections.  I wish history had been this interesting when I was in high school ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 28, 2013, 05:36:48 am
I've learned more history from this project and novels like the 1632 series than teachers in high school and college combined ever managed to stuff into my head.  Seeing what is happening to people sticks much better than memorizing kings, presidents and wars. :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 28, 2013, 07:26:43 am
I hated history in high school until I had a textbook that explained why things happened. Dates, names, and events were deadly boring. Following the chain of events as one thing caused another was fascinating.

I enjoy historical mysteries (provided that they are accurate!) and have also started on historical novels. I prefer pre-1800 though ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 28, 2013, 07:58:00 am
Do you know the 1632 series by Eric Flint?  The first novel's preface is pure science fiction - galactic super-race artists have an accident with a space/time sculpture, and and chunk of 2000 West Virginia gets exchanged for a chunk of 1631 Germany.  After that it is pure alternate history.  The author actually visited an Appalachian coal mining town and inventoried their resources, and uses the Encyclopedia Britanica 1911 to learn what movers and shakers they need to react with.  So, what would some intelligent hillbillies with all their blue-collar skills do to survive in the middle of the 30-Years War?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 28, 2013, 10:32:29 am
Sounds fascinating, Janet.

I just finished Lawrence in Arabia, by Scott Anderson. It's more than a bio of Lawrence because if follows a number of different characters through WW 1 in the Middle East: a quirky, ambitious German diplomat and spy who never seems to get the promotion he so badly desires ; a young American named Yale from a rich family who starts off as a Standard Oil representative and becomes a US intelligence officer; a talented Bulgarian Jewish agronomist who organizes a spy ring in Palestine but has trouble convincing the British he is on their side. It shows the real Lawrence rather than the idealized one in the movie, although he is no less impressive. The book reads like a novel - very compelling. Anderson mentions a number of British ships that were active in that area during the war. One of them was used for an important meeting when it was docked in Murdros, Turkey. That rang a bell because it was where the HMS Blenheim was docked for most of the time I transcribed it. I knew nothing of Gallipoli and the Middle East war theater before reading this book.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 28, 2013, 12:07:59 pm
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By order of Commander L. A. Beardslee, Commanding confined Wm Harper (Bugler) in double irons to await trial by Court-Martial for refusing to obey orders of the Officer of the Deck.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_160_1.jpg

This reminds me of the Asterix comic in which they always tie up and gag the bard to prevent him from singing because his voice is so bad. You can imagine the officer of deck telling Harper to stop that infernal racket and he just goes on bugling  ;D

Y

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 28, 2013, 07:20:31 pm
(http://www.nps.gov/vick/historyculture/images/legrstn.jpg)

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On board, a landsman (present-day Marine) was responsible for guarding prisoners. According to crewman George Yost, these wrist and leg irons were used not just for enemy prisoners but for members of the Cairo's crew as well. An excerpt from his diary reads,
"Tuesday Oct 21,1862 ? William Smith confined in Irons by order of Captain."

http://www.nps.gov/vick/historyculture/life-aboard.htm



On the subject of landsman/marine vs. seaman.

"Tell it to the marines"
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... the saying did not start out as a boast, but rather as an insult, suggesting that the marines were uncommonly gullible. The original version, from Sir Walter Scott, says, "Tell that to the marines - the sailors won't believe it."
From Everything You Know Is Wrong by  Paul Kirchner

Given that a landsman ranks below a seaman, this comment would make sense.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on November 28, 2013, 08:36:37 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 30, 2013, 06:04:05 pm
As the pattern of the log completion has varied over the last number of months the one thing that is constant is the ditto in the Surface Water Temp filled at 9 AM (beginning of the 9 to noon watch), even if there is nothing above it as the following example shows:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_195_0.jpg

Sometimes it looks more like a large period than a ditto, but it always there - useless but endearingly predictable  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on November 30, 2013, 07:55:42 pm
Some officer wanted a reading, and they didn't have sea thermometer?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on November 30, 2013, 08:02:28 pm
They have been recording the surface water temps 6 times per day for months but they are getting lax now. They have also been dropping the wet bulb, as you can see. Must be spring fever.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 02, 2013, 07:50:14 am
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 03, 2013, 12:42:46 pm
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Commander Beardslee and party in lighter in tow of steam launch, left on an excursion for the school children of Sitka

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_035_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 04, 2013, 03:53:48 pm
The crew wanted to keep on celebrating after all the July 4th and 5th celebrations  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_045_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 05, 2013, 02:52:18 pm
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At 4.10 Steam Launch in charge of Lieutenant-Commander C.H Rockwell left for Hot-Springs taking J. Escott (O.S.), D. McAskill (O. Sea) and J. Kaough (Lds.) sick to the Springs for treatment

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_064_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 06, 2013, 02:20:51 pm
Bit of history on the Sitka (Goddard) hot springs here: http://www.adventurekayaking.org/sitka/  Ended up there myself after completing the field component of a cold water survival instructor course one January. There were still some wooden tubs then but it was otherwise undeveloped. A great curative after spending a cold cold night marooned on a rock in Sitka Sound with naught but a gumby suit and a baggy of coffee (my number 1 survival necessity!).
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 06, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Interesting.

So there was not much there except for the springs themselves when the Jamestown was their in 1879-1880.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 06, 2013, 04:30:14 pm
Someone back then had had the sense to build the tubs and pipe in the hot water.  Very sane people, wilderness pioneers.  Glad to have this description, Kevin.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 06, 2013, 05:19:49 pm
I forgot to mention my visit to Radium Hot Springs in B.C. It was mid-winter and we walked from the nice warm changing room out in the -15 C weather to get to the springs. It was exhilarating to soak in the warm water and see ice all around you, but not as pleasant to have to get out afterwards. This was certainly not survival training, except perhaps from the hangover due to the previous night's excesses.  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 06, 2013, 09:40:52 pm
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wow!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 06, 2013, 09:45:30 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 07, 2013, 04:14:05 pm
On this day, American naturalist John Muir arrived in Sitka on the California but there is no mention of him in the log. The arrival of the California is noted, though.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_079_1.jpg

In a letter to his wife dated August 11, he wrote:

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"I have just returned from a visit to the Jamestown. The Commander, Beardslee, paid me a visit here last evening, and invited me aboard the ship. Had a pleasant chat, and an invitation to make the Jamestown my home while here."
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 07, 2013, 06:43:10 pm
Apparently at that time of his life, he was not worthy of notice by the deck officers.  Hard to remember sometimes that famous people didn't start out that way.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 08, 2013, 11:49:16 am
Not much foresight if you ask me. They could have guessed he would be famous  ;D 
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 08, 2013, 09:38:05 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 08, 2013, 10:15:16 pm
Only 5 or 6 months left, at this rate  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 09, 2013, 02:38:29 pm
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called "all hands to muster"  and Commander L.A. Beardslee read his orders detaching him from the command of this vessel, Commander Henry Glass then read his orders and assumed command.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_114_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 10, 2013, 12:53:26 pm
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Started rigging up from the topmast holds found four topmast stays deterioated [sic] in wake of the thimbles and bees.

Is this a sighting of insects (or evidence thereof?) or is"thimbles and bees" a reference to ship parts?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_122_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2013, 01:26:46 pm
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thimble
 A ring of thin metal formed with a grooved circumference so as to fit within an eye-spice, or the like, and protect it from chafing. - http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/thimble
AND
http://hdl.handle.net/2027/nyp.33433008209128?urlappend=%3Bseq=59
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3715.msg65483#msg65483


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BEE. A ring or hoop of metal.?Bees of the bowsprit. (See Bee-blocks.)

BEE-BLOCKS. Pieces of hard wood bolted to the outer end of the bowsprit, to reeve the fore-topmast stays through, the bolt, serving as a pin, commonly called bees.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26000/26000-h/26000-h.htm#B
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 10, 2013, 01:58:06 pm
Topmast (heads) probably. They've sent a lot of gear down.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 10, 2013, 03:59:25 pm
It has been more than two weeks since Commander Glass took over from Commander Beardslee and there has not been one misdemeanor recorded in the log. Under Beardsley there were always crew members being put into double irons, locked in the guard house on shore, or being court martialed and sentenced to a month on bread and water (with normal meals every five days). Usually not more than two days would pass before some came back late from leave drunk or they went AWOL.

Maybe this is just a "honeymoon" period accorded a new boss. Stay tuned ...  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 10, 2013, 06:18:19 pm
Maybe the new captain sent word thru his exec to the officers and crew, "If you don't make big trouble, I won't punish the little stuff."  That would create a nice long honeymoon.  People being people, I doubt it will last.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 10, 2013, 07:18:02 pm
Report of L.A. Beardslee regarding the operation of USS Jamestown while in Alaska: https://archive.org/details/reportsofcaptain00unit
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2013, 07:27:20 pm
Already in Jamestown -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 12, 2013, 07:27:14 am
k.h.pot
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 12, 2013, 02:25:54 pm
Here's an exceptional weather day - rain, hail, snow, gale-force winds and barometer varying by a whole inch. I think the 10 PM weather code might set the record for the most letters:  ocqrshlt  - try to pronounce that!  ;D

We also have a couple of half-hour weather entries that designated as 11:30 and 12:30

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_157_0.jpg

Also,
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At 1:30 PM a shock of earth-quake lasting about 20 seconds occurred, after with temperature was raised slightly.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_157_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 12, 2013, 02:37:13 pm
Here's an exceptional weather day - rain, hail, snow, gale-force winds and barometer varying by a whole inch. I think the 10 PM weather code might set the record for the most letters:  ocqrshlt  - try to pronounce that!  ;D

We also have a couple of half-hour weather entries that designated as 11:30 and 12:30

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_157_0.jpg

Also,
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At 1:30 PM a shock of earth-quake lasting about 20 seconds occurred, after with temperature was raised slightly.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_157_1.jpg
You forgot to mention the force 12 winds.  NOT a day to be out in an open harbor!! 

I didn't know earthquakes could influence weather.  Might this be a coincidence?  Or could the passing of the hurricane with its steep pressure changes trigger a quake?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on December 12, 2013, 11:23:28 pm
Don't know about that - but most of the 'noise' in seismograph records around here is caused by waves crashing on the beach.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 12, 2013, 11:53:16 pm
Ahhh, having force 12 winds would do astonishing things to the waves.  Still not weather I'd like to be out in.  Thanks, Kevin.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 13, 2013, 07:43:27 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 14, 2013, 11:14:41 am
The OW interface may be drinking too much as well. I started transcribing the Jamestown 1879 this morning and it has put me back to August 1880. I finished November 11 yesterday!

Here's my current link http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_079_1.jpg

Here's my link to my November 11 page from yesterday http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_173_1.jpg

I'll go back to the Unalga until this is straightened out.

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 14, 2013, 12:22:36 pm
Craig - I moved your post here since it applies to Jamestown (1879) and others may have the same problem.

Have you already done August 1880?
If so, would you please give me a link?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 14, 2013, 01:54:16 pm
The first link in my previous message is from my completed pages, Randi. It is August 9, 1880.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 14, 2013, 02:20:35 pm
I'm wondering, are they just being fed that badly out of order?  Or are you seeing the August ones twice?
It makes a difference in what problem to report.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 14, 2013, 02:47:56 pm
I am seeing them twice and they are the same jpeg files, Janet. I went all the way back in my completed pages to August 9 1880 and it's exactly the same as my current page.

This is the current page http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_079_1.jpg

Here's the link to August 9 in my completed pages http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_079_1.jpg

It seems that my page pointer has been reset.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 14, 2013, 03:59:20 pm
That is much more serious.  I'll report it in - I can't promise prompt response because of the weekend.  :(

Hold off on doing any double transcriptions, I really can't see the point of that.  Lots of other ships are available, and Albatross at least has very nice handwriting.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 14, 2013, 04:04:12 pm
Jamestown (1844) seems to be working OK for me, so it is not a system-wide problem.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 14, 2013, 04:20:40 pm
...
It seems that my page pointer has been reset.

Hopefully these pages were just inserted into the list of pages to give out twice.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 14, 2013, 04:28:45 pm
Randi, what list is that?  I don't remember that.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 14, 2013, 05:57:13 pm
I am only speculating (and probably not phrasing it well), but...
There has to be some organization that says what pages are passed out and in what order. I am calling that a list for simplicity.
It seems more likely to me - and a simpler explanation - that the 'list' has Aug 1880, Sept 1880, Oct 1880, Nov 1880, and Aug 1880 than one person's page pointer has been reset for one ship.
We will need to find out if Craig has this problem on all his ships, if other people are seeing problems (and I think we would have heard something!) and/or hear from the programmers to know if this is correct.

PS I get 15 Sept 1879.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 14, 2013, 06:17:13 pm
I was able to pick up where I left off with the Unalga I so it is not a general problem for me.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 15, 2013, 12:48:38 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 17, 2013, 12:09:02 pm
I hope they will fix my broken pointer soon.  ???  I am almost getting out of the habit of filling the attached thermometer box in the Unalga, which doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 17, 2013, 11:02:36 pm
Craig - It should be fixed now. Please give it a try and let us know.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 17, 2013, 11:04:12 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on December 17, 2013, 11:54:58 pm
I am posting over here on the Jamestown thread since you are discussing duplicate pages.  I am having the same problem on the Albatross 1890.  I just got the following page to transcribe but I already transcribed it 21 days ago.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_060_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_060_0.jpg)

Karen
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 18, 2013, 12:09:02 am
I passed that up to the PTB.  Thanks for telling us.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 18, 2013, 12:26:34 am
Craig - It should be fixed now. Please give it a try and let us know.

I am still getting this page, Randi: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol043of067/vol043of067_080_0.jpg

which is August 10, 1880. I was in November.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 22, 2013, 07:43:44 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 22, 2013, 07:45:16 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 29, 2013, 02:54:27 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 30, 2013, 12:04:53 pm
Craig - It should be fixed now. Please give it a try and let us know.

It looks like it's difficult to fix the pointers for the 3 or 4 ships that have the problem - or else the programmer is on vacation. Could we get an update on what the problem is? I'm not complaining - just curious.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 30, 2013, 12:36:21 pm
I already dropped a hint to Philip yesterday.
No word yet.
With Christmas and New Year, I suspect vacation is a factor.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 30, 2013, 10:30:17 pm
We just had word from Stuart L. that he will take another look at the repeating page problem. He had thought that it had been fixed.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on December 30, 2013, 11:05:37 pm
Please wish Stuart L. a Happy New Year for me. 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 31, 2013, 07:32:53 am
Done!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 01, 2014, 04:15:50 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2567/b2567_155_0.jpg

Either something is wrong with the barometer or this is very strange. A storm with gale-force winds and  high air pressure. This is not the first time I have seen this on the west coast with the Unalga.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 01, 2014, 06:28:30 pm
Something is very wrong indeed! This is Jamestown ;D

Still, the lowest air pressure is with the force 11 winds :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 01, 2014, 07:27:11 pm
My heart is still with the Jamestown 1879  ;D  Just itching to get back to her.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 06, 2014, 08:57:01 am
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 10, 2014, 10:21:16 am
They have been showing the Indians how to drain the "ranche" at Sitka for the last several weeks.

 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol044of067/vol044of067_083_1.jpg  Meridian to 4

It's not my idea of a ranch  http://www.amazon.com/Photo-Indian-Ranch-Alaska-buildings/dp/B005STQPNY
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 10, 2014, 10:38:52 am
Seems to be a place name?
(and probably a fairly offensive one :()

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg11/id/4829

http://books.google.fr/books?id=_3lAwcPsIrgC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=%22Indian+Ranche%22&source=bl&ots=AapRhReH7y&sig=tgAbk9pA8-h8w-mreHOfFJ1Pk2M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Cs7PUu-uLMqH0AWz54HQCA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22Indian%20Ranche%22&f=false

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=EP18650505.2.15&cl=CL1.EP&e=-------10-TS-1----2%2522burlington+street%2522--

Also found Indian Rancheria in California. http://books.google.fr/books?id=Ty-SI4d4QAAC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=%22Indian+Ranche%22&source=bl&ots=7PZ8i_CfiN&sig=VsSbBgdNRwihEK5z76XpmKPI8PU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Cs7PUu-uLMqH0AWz54HQCA&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=%22Indian%20Ranche%22&f=false
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 12, 2014, 02:23:46 pm
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on January 25, 2014, 12:47:46 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol045of067/vol045of067_092_0.jpg

They are preparing to decommission the ship and whoever is recording the temperatures is getting very sloppy or is incompetent. Note all the cases where he appears to have switched air and wet bulb temperatures.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on January 25, 2014, 02:19:11 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol045of067/vol045of067_092_0.jpg

They are preparing to decommission the ship and whoever is recording the temperatures is getting very sloppy or is incompetent. Note all the cases where he appears to have switched air and wet bulb temperatures.

 >:(  We should find a TARDIS and go back to straighten that log keeper out.
I copied this to Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 25, 2014, 05:13:47 pm
Double irons and bread and water for 30 days!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on January 31, 2014, 10:57:18 pm
Greetings from:
Sitka, Alaska
http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=1414736&fid=usageo_1315
http://mapcarta.com/Sitka
http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/LC00225_08_1882
http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/540-00-1882
http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/17320.shtml
http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/17327.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitka,_Alaska

Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 04, 2014, 04:31:12 pm
They really did put people on "bread and water" as punishment - and double irons as well!

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_058_1.jpg
By order of Commander L. A. Beardslee, Commanding, Private Pitcher who refused to do duty was confined in double irons in the guard house to await further action.

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_059_1.jpg
By order of Commander L. A. Beardslee Commanding placed Private Pitcher in solitary confinement on bread and water for five days for refusing to do the duty assigned to him yesterday.



USS Cairo Wrist and Leg Irons:
(http://www.nps.gov/vick/historyculture/images/legrstn.jpg)
From http://www.nps.gov/vick/historyculture/life-aboard.htm

Quote from: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26000/26000-h/26000-h.htm#BILBOES
DOUBLE-IRONED. Both legs shackled to the bilboe-bolts.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 09, 2014, 02:27:44 pm
Lots of weather details on the Events pages. (I don't generally transcribe them.)
Some sound almost poetic - though I doubt I would feel that way if I were observing first hand!

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_066_1.jpg
Clear and cold. Cloudless. Bright starlight.

Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_067_1.jpg
Vapor visible upon the water.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 09, 2014, 02:40:14 pm
I began transcribing them when Philip said we could enter them into the Weather tab.  As you have probably noticed "pleasant weather" is used quite a bit. This is a tad subjective. On the other hand, the wind force terminology is usually precise.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 15, 2014, 07:48:50 pm
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_081_1.jpg
By order of Commander L. A. Beardslee, Ensign J. C. Gillmore was placed under suspension for neglect of duty and disobedience of orders.

Punishments are a bit different when you are an officer.
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2015, 04:07:11 pm
The 3 a.m. entry on this page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol045of067/vol045of067_064_0.jpg) appears to have the water temperature recorded way over in the 'Leeway' column. Is that too much of a stretch to transcribe it as water temp?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 24, 2015, 04:14:41 pm
If you look, you have 24 temp readings for Attached (barometer), Dry Bulb (air) and Wet Bulb (humidity).  You also have 5 readings in the water column - this is them actually dropping a bucket with a thermometer in it into the ocean and hauling it up to measure the surface temp of the water.

Absolutely record all of them in the appropriate columns.  Knowing the ocean temp is very useful for the scientists.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on March 24, 2015, 04:31:53 pm
I was actually wondering what to do with the sixth (presumed) water temperature entered in the wrong column at 3 a.m.  ;)

If you look, you have 24 temp readings for Attached (barometer), Dry Bulb (air) and Wet Bulb (humidity).  You also have 5 readings in the water column - this is them actually dropping a bucket with a thermometer in it into the ocean and hauling it up to measure the surface temp of the water.

Absolutely record all of them in the appropriate columns.  Knowing the ocean temp is very useful for the scientists.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on March 24, 2015, 05:00:26 pm
Sorryl :-[

Put it in the correct water box. :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on March 24, 2015, 05:51:30 pm
As Janet says ;D

This is one of the very few exceptions to TWYS: Weather Data in the Wrong Column (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628) ;)
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on December 13, 2015, 08:35:56 am
I cannot transcribe, nor visualize the Remark page for February 15th, 1886 from Jamestown 1879 logs:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol055of067/vol055of067_196_1.jpg

I when I try to visualize the image I get the following message:

AccessDeniedAccess Denied5A967714BE8BDC0DslfcBpogIdHO/rPCxJRhMzFHCr+ARVNf59bz9PqkE9XJvnDSxltXFX7/kBzjGIwmU3iBxIP0IBc=

In My Pages, the icon for that day shows that there is a log page there.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on December 13, 2015, 09:23:37 am
I also get an error message (This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.).
The previous and subsequent pages are fine.

All I can suggest is to continue transcribing.
Please add a note in Faulty scanned and duplicate pages (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.0)
(Perhaps also add a note for Thetis)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on December 13, 2015, 09:50:02 am
Thank you, Randi :)

I have already finished transcribing Jamestown 1879 logs.
Actually that voyage ends a few weeks later: March 12th 1886.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol055of067/vol055of067_221_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 02, 2016, 03:40:47 pm
A innovation for punishment buffs- a 4-column punishment list for your transcribing convenience!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol048of067/vol048of067_107_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 02, 2016, 03:56:40 pm
That would have been really helpful on Concord!

1/2 hr looks like they got off pretty lightly :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 02, 2016, 04:21:09 pm
I didn't look closely at this page but some of the offenders are young trainees.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 07, 2016, 05:23:53 pm
log book 49 repeats two weeks of log book 48 and then stops.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol048of067/vol048of067_021_1.jpg   08/21/82 to 09/14/83
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol049of067/vol049of067_011_1.jpg   01/09/82 to 14/09/82

Is it OK to skip through it? I didn't see a mention of it by Silvia so I presume she transcribed it twice.




Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 07, 2016, 05:51:38 pm
Yes, it can be skipped.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 08, 2016, 12:54:12 pm
Here is a good sampling of crimes and punishments

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol050of067/vol050of067_025_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on February 08, 2016, 08:13:33 pm
 :o :o :o

Looks like a point of pride to get on the list...anyone unfortunate enough to be missed off it do you think?  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 14, 2016, 02:44:46 pm
They can't even behave on a national holiday  :(

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol050of067/vol050of067_186_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on February 14, 2016, 05:46:12 pm
Naughty!! But what makes me laugh is that they want to get 2 days extra duty out of men who are disorderly on drill...they don't seem to have managed one day's work yet.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 20, 2016, 06:35:03 pm
Record for the busiest cloud type entry?  4PM

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol051of067/vol051of067_116_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on February 20, 2016, 08:00:24 pm
That will be pretty hard to beat.

I don't know why he didn't add Stratus.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on February 20, 2016, 11:56:08 pm
This ship is full of trainees. I am sure the omission is simply due to a lack of experience.  ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on March 28, 2016, 02:02:54 pm
This page has an ultra-rare seven letter weather code at 1 am: ocqrtlu
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol046of067/vol046of067_138_0.jpg

Wouldn't want to be caught in that while out and about!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on March 28, 2016, 04:51:59 pm
Sou'westers on!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on March 31, 2016, 09:00:33 pm
To save duplicate pages who is working on this ship now (9PM GMT)
I get a lot done early in the mornings starting about 8pm GMT.
I can work in with others if I know their usual GMT times.
My time goes back tomorrow by 1hr.


Stuart.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on March 31, 2016, 11:22:57 pm
You will be sharing the third stream with Hanibal, Stuart.  I will be finished this ship within a week - depending upon how my basement drain repair goes.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on April 01, 2016, 04:58:24 pm
I finished J89. Just one stream to go.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on April 01, 2016, 06:03:55 pm
Congrats Craig!

What date did the very last page have, BTW?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on April 01, 2016, 07:19:57 pm
Same date as Silvia reported: 12/03/1886

The following log books that I thought belonged to the J79 are for the J86. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on April 22, 2016, 09:31:53 pm
Volume 49 is a rough log and it covers a time period already covered by volume 48, which I just finished.
So I skipped through all of 49.

EDIT: Volume 50 starts right where volume 48 ended. All good!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on June 15, 2016, 09:33:43 am
These two pages have half-hourly water temperatures on them. No idea why, but I did transcribe them all.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol051of067/vol051of067_079_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol051of067/vol051of067_080_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on June 15, 2016, 11:38:58 am
Interesting that they passed through a band of warmer water. The position puts them near the Gulf Stream.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on June 15, 2016, 12:21:24 pm
Cool ;) ;D
That is probably why they took the extra readings.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on July 01, 2016, 07:44:06 am
This page has some Clear Sky values crossed out with no real explanation.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol051of067/vol051of067_189_0.jpg

I transcribed the 4 am one as 6, and left the 5 am to 7 am ones blank.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 01, 2016, 12:06:03 pm
That is odd. I wonder if the question mark and changes were added later.
Philip wants what was originally written in the log book and not later changes.

I think I would have transcribed all four as '10', but that is just my "best guess".
If there are no clouds, 10 sounds reasonable :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on July 01, 2016, 12:39:34 pm
The 4 to 8 am comments say "misty first part of watch foggy last two hours". Looks like the reviewing officer took exception with the original entries. It sounds like Philip's rule would be 'Go with the ink', so I'd agree with Randi on this one.

Edit: Note that even if it's foggy you can frequently still see upward enough to judge the presence of clouds.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on July 01, 2016, 01:10:04 pm
The 4 to 8 am comments say "misty first part of watch foggy last two hours". Looks like the reviewing officer took exception with the original entries...

Edit: Note that even if it's foggy you can frequently still see upward enough to judge the presence of clouds.

Kinda what I was thinking, Bob. Thanks for the hints - I changed all four to '10'.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on July 09, 2016, 01:37:48 pm
This page has what I think are extra water temperatures, but I'm not quite sure (5 - 8 am, 11 pm).

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol052of067/vol052of067_148_0.jpg

What do I do here?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on July 09, 2016, 02:37:48 pm
The a.m. readings are identical, so I don't see any point in splitting them or anything, I would just treat them as a single value. The p.m. reading could probably be split to capture the other value.

This page has what I think are extra water temperatures, but I'm not quite sure (5 - 8 am, 11 pm).

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol052of067/vol052of067_148_0.jpg

What do I do here?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on July 09, 2016, 03:15:38 pm
Strange.
It might be that at 4:30am the water temperature had changed from 78 to 77 and at 5:30 the water temperature changed from 77 to 78. There doesn't seem to be any real need for the 6:30 reading, but maybe they were just being consistent.

Of course it could also be two different thermometers.

Those 10:30pm and 11:00pm readings are wild, but I see that there is a note in the events page that the temperature of the sea water fell 9 degrees.

I'm not sure what to do about the AM readings, but it is probably worth doing both PM to make it clear that it wasn't a mistake.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on July 09, 2016, 03:26:45 pm
I decided to do all of them, as half hour readings - 4:30 am, 5:30 am, 6:30 am and 10:30 pm.
Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on July 09, 2016, 03:29:50 pm
Probably the best choice here.  ;)

I decided to do all of them, as half hour readings - 4:30 am, 5:30 am, 6:30 am and 10:30 pm.
Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on August 06, 2016, 02:22:20 pm
VICTORY!

I have completed the very last logbook, and finished off this ship for good! Huzzah!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on August 06, 2016, 02:25:07 pm
Nice work!   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on August 06, 2016, 02:52:54 pm
Well done!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on August 06, 2016, 03:27:07 pm
Top work hanibal and the OW-crew of Jamestown 1879!

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Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on August 06, 2016, 03:45:11 pm
Hurray for us!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on August 06, 2016, 05:22:05 pm
Good work everyone !

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I've notified the PTB.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on August 06, 2016, 06:24:04 pm
Well done, everyone!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1879) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mapurves on August 06, 2016, 07:00:10 pm
VICTORY!

I have completed the very last logbook, and finished off this ship for good! Huzzah!

Bravo!