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Title: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: SebastianHelm on September 16, 2013, 02:03:58 am
See the current Abbreviations (non-weather) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=639.0) to check for already known abbreviations.  Verifiable new abbreviations posted here will be added.

Janet Jaguar






What does W. R., as in "W. R. Country" and "W. R. Pantry", mean? (Concord in Tamsui (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_009_1.jpg))
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 16, 2013, 02:10:09 am
"wearing cap in Ward Room Country" is apparently a crime - landlubber me would never have guessed.  :)

I'll add it.

After putting it in, I looked up a precise definition.  It's reassuring to find that my first guess was right.  Also, by the dictionary it is usually but not always (http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/west-wing/mess-hall.htm) a single word, "wardroom".

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ward+room
ward?room (ˈwɔrdˌrum, -ˌrʊm)

n.
1. (on a warship) the area serving as living and dining quarters and lounge for all commissioned officers except the commanding officer.
2. such officers collectively.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, ? 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: SebastianHelm on September 16, 2013, 03:49:59 am
Thank you! Interesting rule, indeed. So, is "Country" an error, and it should read "pantry", as in the second occurrence?
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 16, 2013, 05:22:27 am
I think "country" is American slang for the whole area where the officers eat, relax and sleep.
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Dean on September 16, 2013, 05:27:26 am
I think "country" is American slang for the whole area where the officers eat, relax and sleep.

It's British too! ;)

This area COULD be referred to as 'OW Country' 8)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on September 16, 2013, 06:55:28 am
Except that would cover members all over North America, Europe and Australia covering ships that sail the globe.  Kind of big for a single country.  :)

Where are you writing from, by the way?  I'm a night owl in Chicagoland and we seem to be on the same sleep schedule.
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Dean on September 16, 2013, 01:18:02 pm
The World is just a BIG country!

I'm just outside Niagara Falls, New York.  I believe Pommey has built a map of where we are.

https://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=218286446278739362631.0004e0f7349871c7c7721&msa=0&ll=0.35156,-156.445312&spn=132.034234,302.695312

Not really a 'Night Owl' just sometimes wake up and decide I'm not going to be able to fall asleep 'quickly' so I get up, do some computer work and then go back and sleep. With the house quiet I can usually get some serious OW work done. ;)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Helen J on October 09, 2013, 05:47:19 pm
A new one for the list - HMAT is His Majesty's Australian Transport
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 09, 2013, 06:02:00 pm
Helen, are you finding that in the American ships?  Because if you are running into HM~, I will add the whole list of those to the active post in this board.  This is not a problem to me, I just took them out while sustaining my burst of housekeeping preparing for Phase 3.  It is in the Archived Abbreviations (non-weather) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3041.0) in the Editorial Office.  Along with...

HBM - His Britannic Majesties, as in "HBM Consul boarded".
H.I.J.M.S. - His Imperial Japanese Majesty's Ship
HIRMS - His Imperial Russian Majesty's Ship; "HIRMS Oleg"
HMA - His Majesty's Auxiliary;  i.e. a ship in the RFA, "HMA Osmanich"
HMAS - His Majesty's Australian Ship; "HMAS Torrens"
H.M.A.T. - His/Her Majesty's Australian Transport; "HMAT Lord Landsdowne"
HMCS - His Majesty's Canadian Ship;
HMCTBD - His Majesty's Canadian Torpedo Boat Destroyer
HMD or HMTBD - His/Her Majesty's Destroyer.
HMS - His/Her Majesty's Ship.
H.M.H.S. or H.S. - His/Her Majesty's Hospital Ship. Example: Corpl.Guerin R.M.L.I. injured in stbd collier + sent to H.M.H.S. "Berbice".
HMT - His Majesty's Transport; "HMT Olympic"
H.M.Y. - Her/His Majesty's Yacht

They do like that HM... start to things.  ;)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Helen J on October 09, 2013, 06:07:52 pm
Ah, no, sorry, looking at the wrong list.  I found this while editing Minerva, so definitely phase 1 or 2.  She's in Colombo at the moment, so it's not surprising to find an Australian ship passing through.
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on October 09, 2013, 06:13:52 pm
That's fine then.  Let me know if/when that becomes useful for the Arctic ships.
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Randi on March 04, 2014, 12:41:19 pm
A curious acronym is found here and there in '10s logpages, both in California 1913-14 and in Washington state 1916.

COSDPC

After a while i've found it written straight in a logpage (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2567/b2567_056_1.jpg)... and it should mean:

Commanding Officer, Southern Division, Pacific Coast

Edit: Also Division Commander, often abbreviated DC, replaces sometimes Commanding Officer (DCSDPC, SDPC-DC).

 ;)

(I suspect we will find variations on this for other divisions/regions.)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: jil on April 02, 2014, 01:41:08 pm
HBMS - Her/His Britannic Majesty's Ship - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBMS

Bear has been having lots of official calls with various RN ships at Sitka, one example below
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_033_1.jpg
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Randi on April 02, 2014, 01:43:55 pm
I've seen that one too.
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on April 02, 2014, 05:06:30 pm
Duly entered on the official list.  :)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Hanibal94 on April 09, 2014, 10:06:46 am
CGOB: Coast Guard Operating Base

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Unalga/b0148_cr2_to_jpg/b0148_365_0.jpg
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on April 09, 2014, 10:48:58 am
Yep.  OB is in the Glossary of U.S. Naval Abbreviations (http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/index.html) and the CG is obvious.  :)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Randi on April 09, 2014, 12:18:13 pm
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CG is obvious
Candidate for the addiction topic? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Randi on July 09, 2014, 07:15:09 am
On the USS Concord replies 8358 & 8359 "BLR" stand for Breech Loading Rifled (gun).
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Janet Jaguar on July 09, 2014, 06:10:42 pm
Added to the formal list.  :)
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Danny252 on June 20, 2017, 06:07:23 pm
NAO - North Atlantic Ocean
NPO - North Pacific Ocean

(I presume that SAO/SPO also exist)

NPO on this page: https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23707898/content/dc-metro/rg-026/587169/0002/Northwind-WAG-282-b130/Northwind-WAG-282-b130_0161.JPG
Which becomes North Pacific Ocean the next day: https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23707898/content/dc-metro/rg-026/587169/0002/Northwind-WAG-282-b130/Northwind-WAG-282-b130_0162.JPG
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: AvastMH on June 20, 2017, 07:34:15 pm
If only I could remember where I saw those two on the same page. It had North Pacific Ocean at the top and NPO by the Lat and Long. Might have been Bear 1914. I'll see if I can find it. But it does sound to be right N/SPO being North/South Pacific Ocean.


I thought I'd just got lucky: GLOSSARY OF U.S. NAVAL ABBREVIATIONS (https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/OPNAV_29-P1000N.html)

But Naval Port Officer doesn't help this time around  ::)

Though 'P' contained:  POA -- Pacific Ocean Areas
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Danny252 on June 21, 2017, 09:56:51 am
For a few log pages I did wonder if "At sea - NPO" meant "At sea - No Particular Objective" - I imagine that some sailors would certainly think that's the case!
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: mapurves on June 21, 2017, 05:08:05 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: AvastMH on June 21, 2017, 09:59:12 pm
Especially on those three day jaunts to sea and back again specials  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: mapurves on June 22, 2017, 12:03:05 am
Especially on those three day jaunts to sea and back again specials  ::) ;D

It reminds me of my brother-in-law. The stairs to the second floor in his house took a right angle turn half way up. There was a small landing there. He complained about getting to the landing and then realizing that he had forgotten what he was going up the stairs to get. "However," he said, "that was nothing. Eventually I got to the point, when I reached the landing to catch my breath, I couldn't remember if I was going up or down!"
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Randi on June 22, 2017, 01:31:45 am
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: AvastMH on June 22, 2017, 08:22:26 pm
 ;D ;D ;D

I'll never get that bad - I live in a ground floor flat  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Questions about Abbreviations (non-weather)
Post by: Randi on June 22, 2017, 09:32:03 pm
It reminds me of my brother-in-law. The stairs to the second floor in his house took a right angle turn half way up. There was a small landing there. He complained about getting to the landing and then realizing that he had forgotten what he was going up the stairs to get. "However," he said, "that was nothing. Eventually I got to the point, when I reached the landing to catch my breath, I couldn't remember if I was going up or down!"

I would think that if he needed to catch his breath he was going up ;)