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Library => Handwriting Help => Topic started by: jil on June 08, 2015, 06:10:53 pm

Title: Confused by weather code
Post by: jil on June 08, 2015, 06:10:53 pm
There's a new (hopefully not temporary!) writer on Thetis with beautiful and clear writing. However, he appears (to me) to have written 'bb' in the weather at 7am, any other ideas?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_086_0.jpg

Also at noon here - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol011of024/vol011_085_0.jpg
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Randi on June 08, 2015, 06:19:09 pm
Beautiful and clear writing!!!

That's what it looks like to me too :-\
TWYS ;)

really, really clear?
brilliantly blue?
blazingly blue?
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Janet Jaguar on June 08, 2015, 06:58:34 pm
Very clear wonderful handwriting.  And I don't remember seeing 'dew' recorded very often before, he's looking at detail.  :)
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Maikel on June 09, 2015, 07:39:39 am
Transcribe Yorktown, dew isn't a freak occurrence for them. :D
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: mapurves on June 09, 2015, 05:24:18 pm
Transcribe Yorktown, dew isn't a freak occurrence for them. :D

Concord's been reporting dew, too.  :)  I've also seen u for ugly weather.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: jil on June 09, 2015, 05:24:42 pm
Beautiful and clear writing!!!

That's what it looks like to me too :-\
TWYS ;)

really, really clear?
brilliantly blue?
blazingly blue?
They were both following fog, so perhaps he was really happy to see blue sky! I'll keep TWYS
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: AvastMH on June 23, 2015, 07:44:02 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8182_0.jpg
Patterson in 1885, somewhere near Tolstoi Bay, Alaska

Please can any one help with Casaan Bay - did I read that right?
Fougas Narrows, ditto
Pt Vallenar, ditto

Many thanks,
Joan
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Randi on June 23, 2015, 07:58:35 pm
Matteo has Tongass Narrows and South Vallenar Point near Tolstoi :-\
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3644.msg97270#msg97270

Just found: http://www.geonames.org/5558232/vallenar-point.html
and http://www.geonames.org/5554266/kasaan-bay.html --- which Matteo has

You do realize that I should be washing dishes don't you ;D
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: propriome on June 24, 2015, 08:00:16 am
I've just added Patterson aliases "Casaan Bay" and "Tongas Narrows", plus new place "Vallenar Point" (short distance from South Vallenar Point) to the database... will update Alaska Reference, maps and cvs soon :)

PS: When you're more or less certain about a word and/or the area you're cruising, maybe the Google Map (not Google Earth Map) from the Reference thread could help, it's also searchable... for Alaska: http://goo.gl/K0FQ0W
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Pommy Stuart on December 02, 2015, 12:59:23 am
New scribe, new character.
5 A ~ & 10 am Ci ~ both look like a 3
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_108_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_108_0.jpg)

TIA
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Bob on December 02, 2015, 01:06:31 am
I think they are '3'. Doesn't make them right, but it sure looks like that's what he wrote.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Pommy Stuart on December 02, 2015, 01:31:21 am
I will put 3 but I guess he meant S
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: AvastMH on December 02, 2015, 07:22:22 pm
They do look a whole lot like the number '3'. Did this person train on the Patterson? (I jest)
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: mapurves on December 02, 2015, 07:29:47 pm
They do look a whole lot like the number '3'. Did this person train on the Patterson? (I jest)

Nope. Concord has it's own handwriting training school.  People are encouraged to hold the pencil either in their teeth or their toes and to press as lightly as possible so as to save on pencil lead and/or ink ;D
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Helen J on December 02, 2015, 08:02:24 pm
They do look a whole lot like the number '3'. Did this person train on the Patterson? (I jest)

Nope. Concord has it's own handwriting training school.  People are encouraged to hold the pencil either in their teeth or their toes and to press as lightly as possible so as to save on pencil lead and/or ink ;D

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: AvastMH on December 03, 2015, 08:16:22 pm
They do look a whole lot like the number '3'. Did this person train on the Patterson? (I jest)

Nope. Concord has it's own handwriting training school.  People are encouraged to hold the pencil either in their teeth or their toes and to press as lightly as possible so as to save on pencil lead and/or ink ;D

 ;D ;D ;D Paints a great mental picture
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Hurlock on December 04, 2015, 08:57:18 pm
Albatross Jan 1896 Mare Island
oqq and oqqr at 5am and 6 am.  I take it to mean lots of squalls.
first time I have seen double letters in the weather codes on this ship.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_020_0.jpg
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Danny252 on December 04, 2015, 09:19:13 pm
I'm tempted to say they're ogq and ogqr - the tail on the q seems more angled and made of two distinct pen strokes, whilst the g is a single stroke. 1am to 4am are then "og", and 9am onwards is "ocqr".

"g" translates as Gloomy/threatening weather, and I've seen it used on rare occasions on the Albatross.

I also note that the text page describes the first four hours as "Cloudy and gloomy", then "Cloudy, squally, and rainy" after that.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Randi on December 04, 2015, 09:20:35 pm
I wonder if it could be a g and a q?

The events page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_020_1.jpg) does mention gloomy :-\



Danny beat me to it ;)
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Bob on December 04, 2015, 09:23:50 pm
Third vote for 'g' here...  ;)
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Hurlock on December 04, 2015, 11:02:19 pm
I have altered them to 'g's.
I thought g was for gale.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Randi on December 04, 2015, 11:30:09 pm
Official Logbook Instructions (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3458.0) shows gloomy fairly consistently, but sometimes the codes have changed over time or US vs. UK logs.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 05, 2015, 12:32:27 am
I have altered them to 'g's.
I thought g was for gale.

The two uses of the 'g' don't go in the same column.  g = gale goes under Wind force.  g = gloomy goes under weather.  They may have both been used whenever the ship was not making wind force numerical.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Hurlock on December 23, 2015, 09:11:20 pm
New (and hopefully temporary) weather scribe starting on the Albatross 1890.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_098_0.jpg
7pm cloud type reading expected to be none, looks more like Mim
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Randi on December 23, 2015, 09:44:01 pm
On http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_100_0.jpg
I think the same scribe has put none at 1 PM,
cum nim at 5 AM,
and our mystery word at 10 PM

I would transcribe it as Nim or Mim :P
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 23, 2015, 09:51:28 pm
"min" for minimal?  certainly not standard for a "b" sky!!
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Randi on December 23, 2015, 09:53:44 pm
I wondered about that too, but I don't think so after looking at other pages :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: mapurves on December 23, 2015, 10:48:55 pm
"min" for minimal?  certainly not standard for a "b" sky!!

Nim is for Nimbus.
Title: Re: Confused by weather code
Post by: Janet Jaguar on December 23, 2015, 10:54:13 pm
"min" for minimal?  certainly not standard for a "b" sky!!

Nim is for Nimbus.

Might well be one of those towering thunder clouds that sometimes pop up in a clear summer Midwest sky.  They can dump a really drenching downpour over a very small area.  Forget predicting those rains, can't be done.

(http://mrcc.isws.illinois.edu/living_wx/thunderstorms/tstormSingleCell.png)
Single cell tstorm over Illinois courtesy of NOAA