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Dockside Cafe / Crowd Sourcing Scoping Study Seminar
« on: October 22, 2012, 10:42:49 pm »
Just to let you know that Jil and I attended a one day seminar at Kings College London's Maughan Library. Its purpose was for academics from Kings College, to obtain information about Crowd Sourcing (CS), specifically about humanities related projects, as part of a Humanities Research Council funded research programme.
Questions we discussed included: why people do it, our experiences, our motivations, how we got involved and how has our community developed. After a pleasant lunch we moved on to discuss the future of CS, the kinds of knowledge that CS can provide in the humanities and how researchers can best used CS for their projects.
The seminar was attended by representatives from several projects including Herbaria @ Home, Marine Lives, one on gravestones, the Dickens project, and one on mapping, so a really diverse and interesting group. Many of the participants have also had experience of other CS humanities projects.
I think Jil and I gave a good account of OW and how well it works. A key point that we stressed was that it is vital for a significant sized project like OW to have an active and well moderated forum, so we did pay tribute to the work that our moderators have done. Also we made it very clear that a really strong community can develop with individuals taking roles and helping and leading others and that this has contributed to the success of OW.
It was interesting that OW is a cross between a citizen science project and a humanities project, whereas the others were specifically humanities.
I would of course also be happy to answer any questions. We expect a short summary of the day to all participants, so if anyone is interested I will be happy to forward a copy when it arrives.

Old Weather Magazine / Odins History, part 1
« on: May 01, 2012, 09:17:38 pm »

Gordon has put up on the Naval History site, my first quarter of HMS Odin's history. I would be grateful for any feedback and suggestions for improvement.

You can find it here.

It has been totally fascinating. Now on to part 2.

All the best.


What Does THAT Mean? / Inclination Exercise
« on: March 24, 2012, 09:35:38 pm »
Anybody know what an inclination exercise involves?

From the log of HMS Weymouth, on route to Rio in March 1912, see the following entry at 09.00.

"Course as req for carrying out inclination ex with "Petersfield.""

I am assuming that "Petersfield" is this Minesweeper HMS Petersfield.

I guess it could be to do with minesweeping, as Petersfield is a minesweeper and the next log entry has to do with paravanes, but would be grateful if anyone knew any more details.


PS I just checked back to the log of HMS Petersfield and she recorded the inclination exercise on the same day, but no further details.


We have an interesting situation with the two torpedo boats in Hong Kong, TB 036 and TB 037.

Following this ( incident, the following page has the crew of TB 037 ordered to transfer immediately to TB 036.

The page after that has TB 037 paid off at noon and the logs continue as TB 036.

I will continue transcribing to see what happens, but it may be that there will now be two sets of logs for the same ship

What Does THAT Mean? / Things for the KAR
« on: July 12, 2011, 11:14:07 am »

HMS Clio is at Berbera on the Coast of Somalia in 1920, where the conflict with the Dervishes is coming to an end.

She is transporting stuff up the coast to Laskhorai for the Kings African Rifles (KAR).

So far I have for the 6pm entry "10 KAR ~ on board for passage".

The best I can come up with is Askans, but google seems to think they are a form of life encountered by the Enterprise in Star Trek, so that is unlikely in this context.

Any help gratefully received as she boldly goes to Laskhorai.


Reference Desk / Temperature Corrections on Barometer Readings
« on: July 09, 2011, 10:02:15 pm »

This is a question for the science team, and one which I should have asked long ago.

How does the science team know whether or not to apply the temperature correction to barometer readings?

The obvious answer of course, would be; if there are temperature readings directly associated with the barometer reading then the barometer is a mercurial one and so the temperature correction should be applied, and there are no corresponding temperature readings for anaeroid barometers so no temperature corrections are needed.

However, i have noticed that while individual log keepers are usually consistent as to whether they record the barometer temperature or not, the recording of that temperature is not necessarily dependent upon whether the barometer is anaeroid or mercurial.

These two pages are a case in point.

This is the page from the start of Feb 1920 and it clearly shows that Clio has a mercury barometer. I am pretty sure she has always had one. Up to her recommissioning in Gibraltar in April 1919 the log keeper religiously entered temperature data, under the / with the barometer reading in addition to the other three temperatures.

After recommissioning the first logs I got were Jan 1920. The new log keeper didnt record any barometer temperatures through the whole of January and into February.

This page is typical.

I wondered if she had got a new anaeroid barometer as part of some refit while in Gibraltar, but this clearly is not the case.

I suspect that something similar may have happened on Odin, because I definitely transcribed logs with and without temperatures associated with the barometer readings.

Please tell me to shut up and stop worrying if the team have this under control, or if it is not a problem, but otherwise should we ensure that we make a note each time we see one of the pages that shows the type of barometer, just in case?

Also tell me to shut if if this particular point has been covered in another thread. I did look for it.



HMS Odin has just been paid off then recommissioned two weeks later, with a break in the logs in between.

She travelled from the Middle East to Portsmouth Harbour, for refit, arriving in early May 1919. On the 9th of May there was the simple entry "Ship paid off" and nothing more in the log for that day or that book.

The logs restarted at the 24th of May with this page. New captain, new log keeper and new crew from HMS Dwarf, some TBs and the Portsmouth Barracks.


From the log of HMS Usk somewhere in the Dardanelles.

11.00 (pm) Fired 2 rounds at Anzac.

I had always thought that Anzac was the acronym for the Australian and New Zealand forces. Why would a British destroyer fire two rounds at them? Even if it is a ship called Anzac she would be likely to be an allied vessel surely.

Any help gratefully received.

Posted after the above.

I think I have just answered my own question on the following page

It starts with "Patrolling off Anzac" and then "Fired 3 rounds at Anzac". Presumably it is a place on shore held by the Turks.

I have left the post in, rather than just deleting to hide my ignorance, as it is interesting that there was a place called Anzac as well as the other use as an acronym. May prevent someone else falling into the same trap.

HMS Clio is in Kamaran in the Red Sea

For several days each evening she has landed both football and concert parties.

The previous day she landed football, concert and route march parties. (Count me out of the route march if there is a choice!!!)

Today we have football and one I am not sure about.

Waiting parties is the only word that I can get to fit the letters, but that cant be right.

It may be that he meant watching party, ie to watch either the football or the concert, but had a moments absent mindedness over the spelling.

It may be that he meant acting party (ie part of the concert party), and for some unknown reason added a w.

Any other thoughts?

I will be acutely embarrassed if this is all a mondegreen, but I gotta know!!!



From the log of HMS Clio. November 1916.

Hands employed sending 2 tons medical supplies and one horse to Suva.

Discharged 3 Officers and 17 ratings to Suva.

Do let me know what happens to the horse!!!



I have not seen anything quite like this before. Odin was recommissioned in Muscat in 1914 but there were various warnings such as meeting with the SNO, crew packing bags etc. This seems sudden.

At 08.30 there is simply a the words PAID OFF and a red line across the page, then the words. RECOMMISSIONED with new crew from HMT Royal George.

They then get on and practice some of the important things like action stations, then put to sea.

Does anyone know how often ships were recommissioned like this and what were the reasons?

Also what does it mean by crew? Clearly the log scribe and captain stayed unchanged. I guess they must keep most of the officers, otherwise no one in charge will know where anything is. Presumably the Seedies etc didnt change, or did they? What about the marines, gunners, stokers, cooks? Was it just the ABs and other Seamen?


If anyone can make sense of this I would be grateful.

See the first entry after noon.

It transcribes as close as I can get it as:
Lost on service. Straps tube box long, 2. Pockets tube naval 2. Carrage's water bottle 3. Frogs Mk II 2

But that does not help me at all!!!

If you want a pointless exercise try googling Frog Mk II.   

In case it makes any difference the log is from HMS Odin in October 1916 at Basra in the Shatt al Arab.


Log of HMS Clio for 15th June 1915. Having damaged her propeller as a result of hitting the bank during the conflict above Basra, Clio was sent for refit to Bombay. Unfortunately she hit a sandbank in the straights of Hormuz.

This page details the efforts to get off including putting out anchors and lightening the ship by dropping overboard the big anchor chains, attached to buoys. They finally got her off at 11pm.

She then spent a further four days picking up the anchor chains before she was able to progress towards Bombay on the 19th.



From the log of HMS Clio 31st May and 1st June 1915, in the Shatt Al Arab

Three Cadmus class sloops, the Clio, Odin and Espiegle are in action together supporting attacks by British and Indian Troops on Turkish positions.

The only casualty seems to be a pair of binoculars.


Here is an odd entry, see 10.30am, from HMS Clio's Log. 23rdMay 1915.

"Court of Enquiry assembled on board to investigate drowning of HMS Espiegle's armories. "

Both ships were in the area around Basra at the time supporting British and India troops as part of the Mesopotamia Campaign.

I have done a lot of transcribing for Espiegle as well and my journey on her has finished, but I dont remember any incidents reported that could have been drowning of her armories. It may be that her logs from this period havent been included.

I guess we wont know until the notes from the courts are published in four years time.


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