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The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« on: October 15, 2010, 01:35:56 pm »
This post is the start of the first of 3 merged threads concerning the Battle of the Falkland Islands.  The merger puts the original written logs of 9 different ships in the same place.  This is a multi-viewpoint description of history that I have never before seen.  I've put the JPEG links to all the posts in a reply here near the end, and repeat it here.  To give context, I included December 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th for all ships.

Janet Jaguar

HMS Bristol
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-092_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-093_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-093_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-094_0.jpg

HMS Canopus
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69505/ADM%2053-69505-050_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69505/ADM%2053-69505-050_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69505/ADM%2053-69505-051_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69505/ADM%2053-69505-051_1.jpg

HMS Carnarvon
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-090_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-091_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-092_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-093_0.jpg
      with 2 page letter describing it:
      http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-091_1.jpg
      http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-092_0.jpg

HMS Cornwall
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38657/ADM53-38657-0181_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38657/ADM53-38657-0181_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38657/ADM53-38657-0182_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38657/ADM53-38657-0182_1.jpg

HMS Glasgow
   http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-120_0.jpg
   http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-120_1.jpg
   http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-121_0.jpg
   http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-121_1.jpg

HMS Inflexible
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-032_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-033_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-037_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-038_0.jpg
      with 4 page letter describing it:
      http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-033_1.jpg
      http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-034_1.jpg
      http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-035_1.jpg
      http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-036_1.jpg

HMS Invincible
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44888/ADM53-44888-069_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44888/ADM53-44888-070_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44888/ADM53-44888-071_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44888/ADM53-44888-071_1.jpg

HMS Kent
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-042_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-043_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-043_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-044_0.jpg

HMS Macedonia
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47693/ADM%2053-47693-006_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47693/ADM%2053-47693-007_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47693/ADM%2053-47693-007_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47693/ADM%2053-47693-008_0.jpg

BATTLE OF THE FALKLANDS 1914 - Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher's fascinating summary of the results if German Admiral von Spee's fleet had escaped destruction (Fisher sent down the two battlecruisers that caught von Spee);
1. We should have had no munitions - our nitrate came from Chili.
2. We should have lost the Pacific - the Falkland Islands would have been another Heligoland and a submarine base.
3. Von Spee had German reservists, picked up on the Pacific Coast, on board, to man the fortifications to be erected on the Falkland Islands.
4. He would have proceeded to the Cape of Good Hope and massacred our Squadron there, as he had massacred Cradock and his Squadron.
5. General Botha and his vast fleet of transports proceeding to the conquest of German South-West Africa would have been destroyed.
6. Africa under Hertzog would have become German.
7. Von Spee, distributing his Squadron on every Ocean, would have exterminated British Trade.


Philip's blog on the first discovery is interesting, written when only one ship's log had been discovered.




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Been captain of HMS Invincible from the start.  Tootled about the North Sea for a bit, lobbed a shell or two at the bosch at Heligoland Bight and then headed off to the south atlantic to give Admiral von Spee a taste of British Steel!  They don't like it up 'em!

Got 2/3 of the way there, transcribing logs through to late November 1914, and this morning I logged on and was presented with a log from January 1915!  I was really looking forward to reading the logs from that battle and some mutinous young upstart beat me to it!

Just a tad frustrating ;)

Feel better now though, thanks  :)
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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 01:36:58 pm »
Sorry .....


But hahahahahahahahahaahah.

If any of my crew does that to me they are going to be keelhauled.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 02:04:05 pm »
First thing Captain: it wasn't me!
But, I may be able to help you out - see the personal message that I sent you!

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 02:14:24 pm »
Mutiny?!

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 02:35:11 pm »
Oh dear, only the fourth day and already a mutiny !  ;D

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 05:32:58 pm »

Toss 'em to the sharks!  Bloody mutineers...

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2010, 09:53:31 pm »
For the benefit of those crew members who managed to sleep through the action, you can find that log page at http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44888/ADM53-44888-070_1.jpg .

I'm particularly taken with the Invincible's record of that day, so there's even a blog post about it http://blogs.zooniverse.org/oldweather/2010/10/weather-and-history-in-the-south-atlantic/

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2010, 10:28:34 pm »
You can see the haste in the entries. That's quite a record to find in the course of your work. Thanks for making it available.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 12:08:42 am »

Great blog post, Philip.  Thanks for that.  It's quite the contrast comparing the way that was entered and the one in a different thread where a 41 minute battle barely rated a mention. 

"Spilled my tea.  Bloody shelling."


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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 01:08:45 am »
Err, sorry eastevenson, that may or may not have been me...  ::)

And thanks for the link to that blog page philip :)


As oldweather won't let me back on the Invincible, I'm assuming I have logged all the pages - so have jumped over to Inflexible to hear the tales from Invincible's twin :)  At the entries to 8th/9th December, a 4 page letter has been enclosed ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-033_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-033_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-034_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-035_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-44839/ADM53-44839-036_1.jpg


Reading these alongside the other pages/blogs/wiki entries makes for quite a tale!

P.S.  The handwriting on Inflexible is sooo much more legible  :o

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 02:13:43 am »
for anyone else who wants to revisit a page that isn't in their own history, or just wants to track back/forward through the logs.
see my post here

It can be done.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 06:03:53 pm »
Just finished transcribing the HMS Kent's log pages for the battle of the Falkland Islands:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-042_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-043_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-043_1.jpg

As you can imagine it took quite some time and I could not have done it without the help of this site as a reference:

http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/falklandislands.htm

John Dulak

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 09:36:34 pm »
holy cow.  that must have taken aeons to transcribe.  how sad to see all those people who died.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 10:52:11 pm »

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 11:03:21 pm »
true... but these ships have become like family... and it hits closer to home when your family is hurt :(