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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2011, 11:13:11 pm »
the book"Coronel and the Falklands" has the Kent's captains account of this action. I think the book "The sea raiders" has an account of the ship and it's hunt for the Dresden post Falklands. I think Warship International magazine does have a history of this ship during the 1914-15 period. coronel and the falkands also has information of what other HM ships that are part of old weather are doing at the start of WW I.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2011, 08:21:00 pm »
I don't think the Battle of the Falkland Islands as seen from HMS Carnarvon has been posted to the Forum before.  It is spread over a number of scanned pages (so I will cross-ref to "If you find letters & other misc ...) even though it all took place on 8 December 1914:

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However, I have attempted to collate the story together (leaving out most of the "altered course" entries):

8 December 1914

AM

7.30 Enemy reported approaching from the South'd

8.45 Kent proceeded

9.17 Canopus fired 1 12" gun

9.50 Weighed

9.54 Enemy (Gneisenau & Dresden) a/c to South

10.1 Proceeded Course & speed as req followed by Inflexible, Invincible & Cornwall

10.32 Seal Rocks S20E Enemy in 2 Divisions

10.32 Gneisenau & Dresden bearing S48E (Scharnhorst, Nuremberg & Leipzig bearing S35E)

10.44 Invincible passed on Starbd side

10.48 Inflexible passed on Port side

10.52 Bristol leaving Harbour

11.0  working up to Full power

11.19 Cornwall took station on Starbd Quarter

11.39 Gneisenau bore S54.5E Scharnhorst S51.5E

11.43 Bristol ordered to take Macedonia & destroy transports

PM

0.5   Cornwall ordered to proceed ahead of Carnarvon

12.30 Invincible ahead 6.25 miles Gneisenau S56E

12.57 Inflexible opened fire

1.3   Invincible opened fire

1.22  Enemy light cruisers Dresden, Nuremberg & Leipzig a/c to WSW'd

1.33  Scharnhorst & Gneisenau opened fire

1.35  Cornwall, Kent & Glasgow ordered to chase Enemy Light Cruisers

1.40  Range of Gneisenau 27,500 yds
 
2.3   Both sides ceased firing

2.4   Invincible & Inflexible a/c together to Starbd to SE'd

2.25  Enemy a/c South bearing S35E 24,000 yds

2.49  Inflexible opened fire

2.50  Invincible opened fire

3.0   Scharnhorst S36E 28,800 yds Invincible S60E

3.20  Battle Cruisers a/c to Port together

4.9   Enemy N70E 12,900 yds

4.13  Enemy N70E

4.15.5 Opened Fire

4.17.5 Scharnhorst turned over & sunk bow first. Cease Fire.

4.15  Gneisenau 13,700 yds

4.45  Gneisenau 11.400 yds
 
4.46  Opened Fire on the Gneisenau

5.5   Gneisenau Foremost Funnel down(?)

5.25  Enemy ~ list

5.45  Ceased Firing

5.49  Gneisenau banked(?) down ~ ~ ~ a/c to close ditto

5.59  Gneisenau sunk

6.1   Stopped lowered boats to pick up survivors

7.30  Hoisted boats

7.40  Proceeded with Invincible abreast

7.40  Proceeded 74 revs S56W with Invincible & Inflexible

7.46  Inc 114 revs to take station 1 mile on Starb beam of Invincible

9.15  A/c S27W Parted company

If anyone can decipher those 5.25 & 5.49 pm entries (helpfully across two pages!) please do!  But I'm tired, my blood sugar's dropping and the cats want their supper - so I'm calling it a day!



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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2011, 10:32:45 pm »

4.46  Opened Fire on the Gneisenau

5.5   Gneisenau Foremost Funnel down(?)

5.25  Enemy ~ list

5.45  Ceased Firing

5.49  Gneisenau banked(?) down ~ ~ ~ a/c to close ditto

The only thing I can read at 5.25 is course alterations plus (possibly) "En" - the rest runs off the edge of the screen.

"5.49  Gneisenau banked(?) down ~ ~ ~ a/c to close ditto"

5.49  Gneisenau hauled down co(lours) - [probably]

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2011, 10:47:38 pm »
Forgot to say "Thank you" for posting that.
It all seems straightforward compared with another account I'd read. (Sort of dramatised, involving accounts from all RN ships.)

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 05:44:31 pm »

4.46  Opened Fire on the Gneisenau

5.5   Gneisenau Foremost Funnel down(?)

5.25  Enemy ~ list

5.45  Ceased Firing

5.49  Gneisenau banked(?) down ~ ~ ~ a/c to close ditto

The only thing I can read at 5.25 is course alterations plus (possibly) "En" - the rest runs off the edge of the screen.

"5.49  Gneisenau banked(?) down ~ ~ ~ a/c to close ditto"

5.49  Gneisenau hauled down co(lours) - [probably]

Brilliant!  "hauled down colours" - I can see it now!  Thanks.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2011, 09:16:28 pm »
cool.

Same battle from HMS Canopus:

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8th December

7/30 Unknown warships sighted to southward
8/00 -
8/20 Action
Cruisers verified as German squadron
9/19 Opened fire fire & aft 12" turrets on Gneisenau & Nurmberg.
9/30 Ceased fire. Enemy retreated.
10/00-11/00 Fleet put to sea


6/30 W/T signal "Scharnhorst" & "Gneisenau" sunk


The Carnarvon account is more complete, though notice very slight discrepancy in the timing of Canopus firing and the number of guns.

Does the Inflexible log cover this battle? That ship seemed to get mixed up in just about everything - Falklands, Dardanelles, Jutland... not a good boat for a sailor wanting a quiet life.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 10:55:31 pm »
Very good transcription of that battle Thursdaynext.

Canopus's report also interesting Press-Ganged.

I posted in a topic named HMS Bristol the action taken by her. I repost it here.

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HMS Bristol did not participate in the main action but also had her part.

8.00 Stopped Coaling. German cruisers reported by shore station
8.30 Enemy approaching from S.E. "Gneisenau"&"Nuremberg" - Smoke of Leipzig, Dresden & Sharnhorst on horizon.
9.5 Kent, Cornwall, Carnarvon under weigh in Port Williams
9.17 Canopus fired at Enemy from Port Stanley Hbr.
9.25 Glasgow under weigh - Gneisenau & Nuremberg steaming away to rejoin German squadron.
10.0 Invincible & Inflexible under weigh in Port Williams
10.35 Weighed & proceeded. Shore Ston report Enemy's transports off Pt Pleasant
11.45 Ordered by Nav to join Macedonia & destroy Enemy's transports. British Squadron then E'S
12.30 a/c South Macedonia in company
2.8 Sighted smoke of 2 steamers on P. Bow
3.30 Stopped Fired 2 rounds fore 6" & ordered steamers to stop. Santa Isabel & Baden German Colliers. Crew ordered to abandon Ship. German crew transffered to Macedonia. Macedonia sunk Baden Bristol sunk Sta Isabel 52:30'S 57.0W
7.0 Proceeded co East 165 rev. Macedonia ordered to remain till Colliers sunk & proceed to P. Stanley with crews.

I hope that some one from the other ships having participated in this Battle will post their account.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2011, 11:03:15 pm by h.kohler »

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2011, 12:36:59 am »
thanks to all of you for putting all this action in one spot - I hope we can get the action from other ships here too!  :o

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2011, 06:10:40 pm »
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47693/ADM%2053-47693-007_0.jpg

This is the Macedonia's log page, which had been posted elsewhere on the Forum.

The relevant pages from the Kent have also been posted here:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=960.msg9157#msg9157
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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2011, 06:48:13 pm »
To complete the events of that day as seen from our ships I made some research and I found this:

The account from Inflexible has been posted in http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=119.msg1752#msg1752

It is a very precise minute from the events on that day.

The records from Invincible are also in that topic. you'll have to scroll up a bit.

H.M.S. Glasgow is not in the list of our ships. I hope we will get her and I think, if she is in the new list, that there will be a race to be the first three to transcribe that particular day.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2011, 06:52:00 pm »
Here we go (though the handwriting is quite tough):
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9.30 Enemy's ships sighted & reported by Flagship
Fleet ordered to weigh
8.45  :o anchor weighed and proceeded to anchorage inside the mine field
9.55 anchored with entrance to Port Stanley SSE
10.30 fleet proceeded to sea and eastwards, 11.5 Bristol left harbour
11.30 Three merchant ships reported off Point Pleasand
weighed and proceeded to sea
0.20 ordered to close on HMS Bristol courses as requisite Full Speed. 17 knots
2.20 Observed smoke to SE
a/c S80E & gave chase
3.20 "Aelion" two colliers ordered "to stop of we would fire"
4.30 Eased engines
4.37 "~" captured SS. Baden. "HMS Bristol" the Santa Isabel all prisoners put on board "Macedonia" & both prizes fired at from short range.  500 yards.
5.40 Opened fire on SS "Baden"
7.52 "Baden" sank
8.0 I M Bristol steamed ENE (M), Macedonia standing by until "Santa Isabel" disappeared, we fired 8 shots into "Santa Isabel" to hasten her despatch.
8.15 opened fire on "Santa Isabel"
8.30 shipped flag off the prize
9.20 "Santa Isabel" sank. / 9.30 "Santa Isabel" sank
Course + speed for Port Stanley.


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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2011, 07:08:27 pm »
I think 3.20 is "Action"?
and 4.37 is Stopped captured SS Baden?

I did actually transcribe this page some time ago, though it had already been posted to the forum by one of the previous transcribers.

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2011, 12:46:41 am »
This is from "Coronel and the Falklands" It has Gneisenau's fore funnel was leaning against her second funnel. It also has an account from the Inflexibles gunnery officer of the Gneisenau "...and the flag flying at her fore-truck was apparently hauled down,but the flag at the peak continued flying. At 1750 'Cease fire" was made."

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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2012, 08:37:08 am »
My wish had come true: We received H.M.S. Glasgow's logs.

Here is her Account of that battle.

The day begins with loosing some material:

Lost by accident. Guard Brass 2. Sinkers 2 Swinds. Rope. S.W.G.~1 Stray lines 2

Than:
8.45 Lit fired in A 1. 2. 3 &4. C1. 2. 3. &4. German men of war sighted from Sappershall

8.0 Canopus opened fire.

IX.30 Weighed. Proceeded as reqte 200 revs

XI.51 400 Revs. Took station 2' on port beam of invincible.

XII. 51 Battle cruisers opened fire.

I.20 Scharnhorst & Gneisenau opened fire.

I 23 Turned to port under Stern of Invincible & ahead Leipzic.

III.0 Opened fire & engaged Leipzic with 6" guns.

Kent & Cornwall 4' on Starb. quarter.

IV.9 Opened fire with ~ guns.

IV.27 Turned 16 pts to starb. Ceased fire (E 25') turned under Cornwalls stern & came up on port quarter of Leipzig. Cornwall opened fire.

V.30 Opened fire with 6" guns & continued action with all guns.

VII.45 Leipzic ceased fire. Badly on fire.

8.0 Ceased firing.

IX.0 Lowered boats to pick up survivors. Leipzic sank.

Killed in action. Edwin Henry Martell Sto Po O.N. 310682. 7 wounded.


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Re: The Battle of the Falkland Islands from 9 different ships' Logs
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2012, 09:48:57 am »
Re the "IV.9 Opened fire with ~ guns" entry

I think it refers to the calibre of the guns.

Carnarvon had 4 x 7.5" and 6 x 6". As she had already opened fire with her 6" guns earlier and there seem to be two marks before the " my guess is that these are the 7.5" guns. However, I am still not sure that I can make those faint squiggles into 7.5, so you may be better off leaving a ~.

Hope this helps a little.

K
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