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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2011, 02:37:35 pm »
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-014_1.jpg
Just when you thought that it couldn't get any worse, you get a dyslexic log-keeper, who can't spell 'relieved' yet insists on writing it about a dozen times every day.:(

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2011, 05:11:48 pm »
Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg

I sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me, anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W".  (NNE, NNE, NNW.  The midnight entry helps a lot.)

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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2011, 05:25:40 pm »
Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg

I sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me, anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W".  (NNE, NNE, NNW.  The midnight entry helps a lot.)


It's one of those cases where usually good handwriting falls victim to a slight tremor, sneeze or distraction. If I screw up my eyes, squint, and face the opposite direction, then it's obviously an "N".


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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 05:50:39 pm »
Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg

I sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me, anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W".  (NNE, NNE, NNW.  The midnight entry helps a lot.)




It's one of those cases where usually good handwriting falls victim to a slight tremor, sneeze or distraction. If I screw up my eyes, squint, and face the opposite direction, then it's obviously an "N".

Squinting is an excellent approach, with the added benefit of not having your eyeballs dry up.  Also helpful is letting your eyes go out of focus, overdosing on coffee, and trying to channel the poor old logkeeper,  may he rest in peace.

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 06:53:38 pm »
Was the US indulging in some impersonation or short of tablecloths for a picnic?

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 08:10:14 pm »
A white ensign? did the US destroyer borrow it in order to surrender?  I don't know about the uses of the white ensign; if I knew a bunting tosser, I'd ask . . .

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 08:53:46 pm »
Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg

I sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me, anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W".  (NNE, NNE, NNW.  The midnight entry helps a lot.)

I agree. The hump of the W in the midnight entry is lower that the pseudo-hump of the N in the 8pm entry.

I do my best to follow the record what was written rule, but with the letter less than clear, I think that context can be used to decide. On the other hand, the purpose of having 3 transcribers is to get different interpertations as well as to catch typos!

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 09:30:44 pm »
We've just lost '9 7/8 Pints Rum', it appears: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54581/ADM%2053-54581-004_1.jpg
I wonder what happened to the remaining 1/8 pint (yes, I know, somebody drank it, but when?).

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2011, 12:32:44 am »
Farrelly,

I don't know about the uses of the white ensign; if I knew a bunting tosser, I'd ask . . .

Hehe,
Irrespective of whether you meant it, your wish is my command.
So far as I am concerned, there are three ensigns. Unsurprisingly, they are red, white & blue, all having the Union Flag in the canton (top quarter on flag-pole side).
Blue Ensign: for use by government bodies e.g. Coastguards, and "Royal" associated organisations e.g. yacht clubs (but not now rigorously restricted)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ensign

Red Ensign: the flag of the "Merchant Marine" available for any British resident who has a boat to put it on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ensign

White Ensign: the flag of the Royal Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ensign

Now, aren't you glad you asked?

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2011, 12:56:22 am »
Thank you, I didn't know any of that.

But why would a US ship have borrowed a white ensign?  It's not like flying that false flag would protect them from enemy warships! ::)

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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2011, 01:02:02 am »
But why would a US ship have borrowed a white ensign?  It's not like flying that false flag would protect them from enemy warships!

Oh, I'm not so sure of that. Perhaps the US had upset someone before we got around to it.
Or, perhaps it was a naval pantie raid?

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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2011, 02:05:31 am »
JJ,

But why would a US ship have borrowed a white ensign


Ah-ha!
Reciprocal arrangement?
8.00 Dressed ship with American ensigns
Hazard a guess as to the date?

Shanghai has been a regular honey pot for US shipping. At one point we had 4 submarines moored and 7 destroyers mentioned by their numbers - they were whizzing out of harbour and returning, for several consecutive days.
Maybe the White Ensigns were loaned out for St. George's Day. There were some pages missing around 23rd April.


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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2011, 02:23:49 am »
Now that makes sense.  Thanks again.

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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2011, 05:31:47 am »
why, yes -- thanks so much - I definitely didn't intend for you to  undertake a lot of research.

Are we inferring too much into the word "returned"?  Perhaps it was a reply?  Was there a US equivalent to the White Ensign? (not so far as I can tell.)  I think your original explanation - picnic tablecloths - was as good as any we'll come up with.

thanks again for tossing the bunting!!! You've given it new meaning.    8)

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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2011, 11:34:27 am »
farrelly,

I definitely didn't intend for you to  undertake a lot of research.

It wasn't recent research it was from memory, apart from Wiki for the graphics.
The evolution of the Union Flag is through amalgamation and combination, as with the Stars & Stripes but more complicated as we had some 600 years headstart.
It's nice to have an audience that doesn't, visibly, run from the room.