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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2220 on: November 12, 2016, 11:16:05 pm »
Oh dear, oh dear - I'm scratching just at the thought of it! Clearly soap is not easily available on the Perry  :o

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2221 on: December 03, 2016, 02:27:58 am »
murder on the high seas
from Thetis Oct 24, 1908 in Unalaska

Commanding Officer ascertained from the master of the whaling steamer "Bowhead" of New Bedford, that he had confined on board George Gardner, a foremast hand, under charge of having wilfully assaulted with a club Jose Cardosa, a boat stearer, on or about August 31, 1908, while the vessel was on the high seas, and inflicted injuries which subsequently caused the death of the said Cordosa.  He stated that he had taken the depositions of the witnesses and would surrender them and the prisoner to the proper authorities upon the arrival of the "Bowhead" at San Francisco.


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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2222 on: December 03, 2016, 02:45:10 am »
the next day...

At or about 10-50 am, Deputy US Marshal CC Harmon brought on board John R Griffith whom he had arrested as a deserter from the steam whaler "Bowhead," which vessel sailed from this port for San Francisco this day.  Upon being questioned by the Commanding Officer, Griffith stated that he left the "Bowhead" this forenoon just prior to her casting off from the wharf at Dutch Harbor; that he had previously given the master notice that he intended to leave, and that he passed the master on the wharf after having left.  He further stated that no attempt was made to restrain him or take him back to the vessel.  He also stated that he was a witness to the altercation between foremast hand George Gardner and Boat stearer Jose Pardos on or about August 31, 1908, in which it is alleged that the latter received injuries which subsequently caused his death, and that he had advised the master of the "Bowhead" that he would testify if favor of the accused if he was a witness at the trial.  Griffith stated that he was afraid to remain on the "Bowhead," as his life had been threatened by one of his shipmates, who told him that he would not live to reach San Francisco.  While he did not see the blow struck that it is claimed resulted in Cardosa's death he stated that he had seen an altercation between the two men a very short time previously, and that Cardosa was on top of Gardner and beating him about the head with his fists; that Cardosa was under the influence of liquor, and subsequently walked about the deck before going to his quarters.  In view of Griffith's statements, and considering the fact that he was allowed to leave the vessel without hinerance, it was decided to retain him on board and deliver him to the Federal authorities upon the return of the "Thetis" to the States, as it would appear that he was a material witness in the case, and that his presence would be necessary at the trial of Gardner in order that justice might be done.

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2223 on: December 08, 2016, 08:29:12 pm »
Forwarded this to Mark at the Archives. He's giving some admirals a walk-through this month and they like to hear about these kinds of historical events.

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2224 on: December 08, 2016, 08:39:08 pm »
Very interesting leelaht. I missed this first time around. It's always exciting to get the details of this sort of thing.  :D

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2225 on: December 25, 2016, 01:46:43 am »
8am to Merid
Moderate South gales to strong SSW to SWxS breezes; overcast and cloudy to partly
clear; drizzling rain first half; rough to moderate sea.  9:00 set lower topsail. Dr. J. A.
Watkins, U.S.P.H.S., fell on dech and became delirious from shock.  9:30 took in all
sails except mainsail and spanker and hove to on course SSE, in orde tor observe con-
dition of ship's surgeon better.  11:30, ship's surgeon having become better, set lower top-
sail and foresail, jib sail and fore topmast staysail, took in fore trysail and spanker,
and went ahead full speed on course E3/4N; so ends watch.

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2226 on: March 23, 2017, 08:48:05 pm »
Laconic entry from Edinburgh Castle 7 June 1918

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3.40pm: 50 cases sausages lowered in water by accident & recovered

I do hope the cases were waterproof - they were in Brooklyn docks

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« Reply #2227 on: March 23, 2017, 09:08:28 pm »
Laconic entry from Edinburgh Castle 7 June 1918

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3.40pm: 50 cases sausages lowered in water by accident & recovered

I do hope the cases were waterproof - they were in Brooklyn docks

Well I like my sausages with brown sauce - but the contents of Brookly's waterway probably isn't quite the brown sauce that I'm thinking of  :o

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2228 on: March 23, 2017, 09:14:23 pm »
I do hope the cases were waterproof - they were in Brooklyn docks

In 1918, it might have been a question as to which was more dangerous to health, the meat or the water.  :o

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2229 on: March 23, 2017, 09:29:11 pm »
 :o :o :o

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2230 on: June 22, 2017, 05:17:23 pm »
Oh dear .... a note attached to the log for HMS Berwick, 1st February 1919.

H.M.S. Berwick 1st February 1919. I cautioned Mr W H Riddells, Boatswain, R.N. under the following circumstances.
On the morning of entering Bermuda Harbour December 15th 1918 this officer failed to be on deck when the hands fell in for scrubbing decks, which was the third occasion, to my certain knowledge, this had taken place.
On investigation, Mr Riddells deliberately lied to me, daying he had been on deck, which he subsequently allowed was a falsehood.
On that date I gave him an order to be on deck invariably with hands and informed him that if his work was properly carried out in the future I would make no report and pass the nature of the falsehood.
In spite of this, on the morning of January 29th 1919 Mr Riddells was absent when the hands fell in at 5.40am and in the afternoon at 2.0pm was again absent when the hands were being told off for their work.  His appearance, on both these latter occasions leading me to suppose Mr Riddells had been drinking.
Generally speaking this officer?s work on in the ship leaves much room for improvement. He shows little power of command and I consider his knowledge of his duties as the Boatswain of one of H.M. ships far below the average.
With a young ship?s company, composed chiefly of hostilities only ratings the assistance which can be rendered by a good Boatswain who makes his presence felt is of the utmost importance.
I regret to state Mr Riddells in no way shows such qualification.
I have cautioned Mr Riddells in above terms with a view to considerable improvement being expected from him in the near future.
Signed by the Captain, and by Mr Riddells

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It's an interesting insight into life on board ship; Berwick always has a lot of Warrants being read, and I wonder whether Mr Riddells' lack of competence has some impact on that.

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2231 on: June 22, 2017, 05:38:23 pm »
Probably.
However the "young ship's company, composed chiefly of hostilities only ratings" may also be significant.

I feel a bit sorry for Mr Riddells. Does he drink because he can't handle his job or can't he handle his job because he drinks?

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Re: Worse things happen at sea
« Reply #2232 on: June 22, 2017, 06:11:10 pm »
I remember a quote from one of the whalers where the blacksmith legged it at the first Alaskan port. He couldn't be found and the report couldn't be filed well because he was French and didn't speak English, and no-one on board spoke French so no-one knew his name for the report.  These reports make me feel much more sympathetic to the Captains who end up dealing with the outfall of all the differences that the sailors bring with them :)

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« Reply #2233 on: June 22, 2017, 06:17:27 pm »
Probably.
However the "young ship's company, composed chiefly of hostilities only ratings" may also be significant.

I feel a bit sorry for Mr Riddells. Does he drink because he can't handle his job or can't he handle his job because he drinks?

Yes, I thought that too.  And it's a big ship's company, with a high proportion of stokers, who probably feel they've earned some bad behaviour from time to time.  I feel sorry for the Captain too - he seems to have given Mr Riddells a fair chance to improve and it hasn't paid off.