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jil

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Who?
« on: April 14, 2012, 01:21:13 pm »
Can you help with the missing bits?   ~ Pasha & ~ joined ship for passage

Just before noon
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0092_0.jpg

This shows them leaving at about 4pm where the first letter is a T. There's a Tevfik Pasha ???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0093_1.jpg 

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Re: Who?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 02:45:40 pm »
It looks like svnts (for servants) to me - 

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Re: Who?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 02:55:52 pm »
The first page has no name at all, 'Pasha' is a rank.
The article quoted below has a long list of Pashas.  The one that seems to match the scrawl in the log is Tewfik Pasha but he died in 1892.  Maybe one of his sons?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasha
Pasha or pascha, formerly bashaw, (Turkish: paşa[1]) was a high rank in the Ottoman Empire political system, typically granted to governors, generals and dignitaries. As an honorary title, Pasha, in one of its various ranks, is equivalent to the British title of Lord, and was also one of the highest titles in pre-republican Egypt. There were three ranks of pashas: the first, or highest class, had the privilege of bearing a standard of three horse-tails, the second of two, and the third of one.[2]

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Re: Who?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2012, 08:52:02 am »
Wendolk and Janet, Thanks

Assuming that the transportation of someone from Constantinople to Toulon must have something to do with the various peace treaties being discussed at that time, I did some research (I mean I read the Wikipedia entries!) on the Paris Peace Conference, Treaty of Versailles and Treaty of Sevres.

One of the Ottoman signatories to the Treaty of Sevres was Riza Tevfik which looked rather promising especially as his entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%B1za_Tevfik shows a picture of him on board an 'allied warship' with some colleagues being taken to the Paris Peace Conference. However the date for the picture is 1920. Also one of his colleagues is the Grand Vizier and I would have thought he would have got a name check from the log keeper.  :(

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Re: Who?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 12:29:30 pm »
Next Who:
I transcribed:
"Lieut. Js.P.Colquhoun joined ship for (n) duties."

but Js.P I think is wrong

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Re: Who?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 01:11:41 pm »
Next Who:
I transcribed:
"Lieut. Js.P.Colquhoun joined ship for (n) duties."

but Js.P I think is wrong

Did you intend to post a link?
"Jas." is an abbreviation of James.
"Colquhoun" is a splendid name.  ;D It is generally pronounced "Cohoon"  ::)

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 01:13:17 pm »
Hi szukacz, I would also have read that as Js.P.  There's only two dots, one after the s and one after the P.  I would assume his first name was Jonas (or James, as Bunting Tosser points out) or something like that.

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Re: Who?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 01:45:57 pm »

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Re: Who?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2012, 02:11:05 pm »
"Js.P." for me, too.
I can't improve on perfection.  ;)

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Re: Who?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2012, 02:21:08 pm »
 ;D Now I read to the end  ;D
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"Colquhoun" is a splendid name.  ;D It is generally pronounced "Cohoon"  ::)
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Re: Who?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 04:52:53 pm »
In case this still in doubt

JOHN SYDNEY PLUMPTRE COLQUHOUN

All best

don

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Re: Who?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2012, 05:17:03 pm »
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I LOVE English names!

I wonder if there is something about the Navy that attracts all these cool ones  :)

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Re: Who?
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2012, 05:57:06 pm »
In case this still in doubt

JOHN SYDNEY PLUMPTRE COLQUHOUN

All best

don


Ah. Why didn't I think of checking?
Nicely done.
Note to self: Use commonsense in conjuction with eyes.

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Re: Who?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 10:06:32 pm »
Can anyone help with Lieut Williams' initials?
I think the last is a T (maybe A. A. T. / R. R. T.) :-\

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-017_1.jpg

Thanks
« Last Edit: April 27, 2012, 10:09:25 pm by randi_2 »

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Re: Who?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 10:26:58 pm »
looks like a T to me for sure... :)
Other letters look like A.R.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2012, 10:33:40 pm by AvastMH »