Author Topic: Where is she? Romanov-on-Murman (Рома́нов-на-Му́рмане, Romanov-na-Murmane)  (Read 7050 times)

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I'm working on HMS Falmouth at the moment and she passed two Lights but I can't track them down.  She left the Tyne two days before and passed Whitley Bay and Dunstanburgh Castle.  I've tried Wiki and Trinity House but nothing jumps out at me.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-41443/ADM53-41443-012_1.jpg
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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 11:37:31 am »
Looking at where she is at midday, I'm wondering whether they're Udsire Lt and Slatter (Is) Lt, which I found recorded in Cardiff's logs when she was around Scapa Flow.
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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 01:08:25 pm »
No point in starting a new thread when 'Where is she?' also covers my question.

I've just spent a large part of 1915 off Gallipoli on HMS Glory.  The logs then jumped forward from 31 December 1915 to 1 October 1916.  According to my favoured source book, Glory was off northern Russia in 1916.  The port on the log page doesn't look like Murmansk, but I can't make it out.  Any suggestions?  Temperatures are around 26-31 F, so somewhere in northern Russia in October seems a reasonable guess.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43026/ADM%2053-43026-003_1.jpg

 ???
« Last Edit: May 02, 2012, 01:20:08 pm by Steeleye »

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 02:47:27 pm »
Well, on October 4th she changes her port label to "Romanov" without sailing anywhere, which is also missing from all maps. (attached)

I did find a 1910 map of European Russia with all the old imperial names.

MAP European Russia. (with) Moscow. 1910.

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 03:04:34 pm »
You're really quite addicted to this, aren't you?!
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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 06:25:31 pm »
Oh, yeah.  I'm enjoying the editing better than the transcribing.  And love looking up things for others, just for a chance to learn.

But then, they wouldn't have asked me to moderate if I hadn't caught the addiction bug. ;D

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2012, 12:44:46 am »
Got it! ... I think ... thanks to the trusty Wikipedia.  I think it is 'Port Murman', also known as 'Romanov-on-Murman', and eventually Murmansk.

From Wikipedia:
On June 29 [O.S. July 12], 1916, Russian Transport Minister Alexander Trepov petitioned to grant urban status to the railway settlement.[7] On July 6 [O.S. July 19], 1916, the petition was approved, and the town was named Romanov-on-Murman (Рома́нов-на-Му́рмане, Romanov-na-Murmane), after the royal Russian dynasty of Romanovs.[7] On September 21 [O.S. October 4], 1916, the official ceremony was performed,[7] and the date is now considered the official date of the city's foundation. After the February Revolution of 1917, on April 3 [O.S. April 16], 1917, the town was given its present name.

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 01:32:59 am »
Which totally explains in detail why 'Murman' = 'Romanov', and neither appears on either the 1910 map nor on Google maps.  :)

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 08:41:39 am »
Falmouth's log keeper isn't getting much more legible. Anyone any clues where she is at the moment?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-41443/ADM53-41443-013_0.jpg

I think the suggestion about Udsire/Utsire was good and have amended the transcription. Strange to think how often I have heard the name but never connected it with that spelling - North and South Utsire are areas on the BBC shipping forecast.

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2012, 09:07:03 am »
The last 2 pages you put up say she is going north from Scapa and is currently west of the Shetlands.

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 11:15:22 pm »
Does anybody know where I am?   >:(
Captain pommystuart .

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44884/ADM%2053-44884-017_0.jpg
No place or location noted since 10 Sept 1917, currently 28th October 1917
I think I am back near Mermansk.

Previous location http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44883/ADM%2053-44883-008_0.jpg
Which I entered as Pichiya Gulf having moved roughly 100 miles n by w from Mermansk


Having trouble using TFSE to find the location.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2012, 12:29:41 am by pommystuart »

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2012, 12:32:09 am »
Pechenga Bay is shown on Google Earth at about 69 N 31 E but I can't find any of the other places, such as "Vibhe Island" (or whatever it is).

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2012, 12:51:24 am »
I'm having trouble withthe handwriting, but on your current link, the clues are on the left of the Noon readings.  I did find a better European Russia map 1892.

"Pichiya Gulf" may possibly be Petchora Bay ( 68.72, 55.7 lat long)

"Yukanskie Boom" still defeats me.  I really hate it when my ship does this, and it's more common than it should be.
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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2012, 03:37:50 am »
Thanks for your help.
Nice maps Janet.
Google Earth, why did I not think of that.  >:(

Logs show the 'Osway' and 'Briton" arrived on the 11 Sept, find them and we will have one place cracked.


30th Oct 1917, log show "Russian SS arrived in harbour damaged, and Kildawan Castle arrived in harbour damaged."
Does the rhs entry say Kildawan Castle? http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4fac4028bfeb714668002a71
Does anybody know where they were on that day? (HMS Kildonan Castle was in Devonport?)
Seems to be a lot of convoy arr/dept from where ever she is.

It's just that there are so many pages without a location without these two I/we/they are lost.
At the moment I have just TWYS and will change with further info.
 :)
« Last Edit: May 11, 2012, 07:37:27 am by pommystuart »

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Re: Where is she?
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2012, 07:29:49 am »
Yukanskie is now called Ostrovnoy, so I have been told.  :D
Your link goes to your pages Stuart. We need the image location.