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szukacz

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Doubt?
« on: May 15, 2012, 06:49:48 pm »
So I sit and slaps the next page ...
I assail me weird questions ...
I wonder whether the hundreds of pages which have worked so hard to rewrite someone could use them? Weather-related effects we see are great visuals, maps, weather new models or improved models of the weather. I wonder whether some historians will benefit from this information? Do these data can still latch on the back for something more useful. But there were so many books, publications written by people directly associated with that period of history. Does our work make sense?
Maybe someone will comfort me?

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 06:54:16 pm »
I think the history work we are doing will prove to be very important.

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 07:00:04 pm »
Loads and loads of people are interested in family history these days and they'll find our work fascinating.  And there are people who are interested in Grimsby, Hull and Fleetwood trawlers - there must be, or they wouldn't have their own websites!  And I can't help wondering myself, whether there's some kind of scope for analyzing the Atlantic Patrol histories to track some of the merchant shipping ...

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 08:56:33 pm »
As well as those people wanting to know what great great uncle Fred did on HMS _____ we have uncovered some items not generally known. For example HMS Hampshire escorted the First ANZAC convoy from Colombo to Suez.  This fact wasn't known to people who had created a website dealing with this convoy. Does it matter? It was a long time ago but to Australians and New Zealanders interested in their military history - quite possibly.

When the ship histories are written up I hope that some will be read because they do give an idea of naval life. If you read novels based on the wars everything happens very quickly. Particularly in the first war the odd bit of action was punctuated by long days of patrolling, often in bad weather, interspersed with a quick visit to harbour and the hard work of coaling and cleaning the ship afterwards. 

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2012, 09:14:26 pm »
So I sit and slaps the next page ...
I assail me weird questions ...
I wonder whether the hundreds of pages which have worked so hard to rewrite someone could use them? Weather-related effects we see are great visuals, maps, weather new models or improved models of the weather. I wonder whether some historians will benefit from this information? Do these data can still latch on the back for something more useful. But there were so many books, publications written by people directly associated with that period of history. Does our work make sense?
Maybe someone will comfort me?

You will enjoy reading the links on OW ship histories from the logs.  Gordon Smith is author of Naval-History.net and absolutely loves our history comments.  We have begun editing the transcriptions into ship biographies, laying out their stories in a form readable by any landlubber.  Notice of what we are doing is also being sent to other sites and museums.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 09:44:37 pm »

So I sit and slaps the next page ...
I assail me weird questions ...
I wonder whether the hundreds of pages which have worked so hard to rewrite someone could use them? Weather-related effects we see are great visuals, maps, weather new models or improved models of the weather. I wonder whether some historians will benefit from this information? Do these data can still latch on the back for something more useful. But there were so many books, publications written by people directly associated with that period of history. Does our work make sense?
Maybe someone will comfort me?


Besides, where else could you meet such wonderful folks as ourselves?!  ;)  and what would you do with all your spare time (that you probably don't HAVE but FIND since you are addicted like the rest of us!!!)  ;)

Blessings,  dean
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 12:28:56 am by dmaschen »

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2012, 10:22:20 pm »
Dear Szukacz,
I work for Prof Myles Allen who leads the Climateprediction.net program that this work feeds into:
http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/mathematical_physical_life_sciences/people/dr_myles_allen.html (shame about the photo). The work is vital to indicate future climate changes. This information affects the work done by other groups in my department (Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford), and many others, where they study how we will provide food and water as the climate does change.  The social affects of these changes, how to get us to try to stop the changes etc etc etc all do depend partly on OW's help.   Myles was chuffed when I told him that I had started on OW.
Every journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. And all your steps, and you alone have made so many, are truly appreciated by the scientists and one day may prove to save a planet full of wonderful and caring people like yourself. OW are all unsung heroes, but heroes nevertheless.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 09:13:35 am by AvastMH »

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2012, 10:46:32 pm »
Dear Szukacz,
I work for Prof Myles Allen who leads the Climateprediction.net program that this work feeds into:
http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/mathematical_physical_life_sciences/people/dr_myles_allen.html (shame about the photo). The work is vital to indicate future climate changes. This information affects the work done by other groups in my department (Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford), and many others, where they study how we will provide food and water as the climate does change.  The social affects of these changes, how to get us to try to stop the changes etc etc etc all do depend partly on OW's help.   Myles was chuffed when I told him that I had started on OW.
Every journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. And all your steps, and you alone have made so many, are truly appreciated by the scientists and one day may prove to save a planet full of wonderful and caring people like yourself. OW are all unsung heroes, but heroes nevertheless.

http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/team_display.php?teamid=9976   ;) ;D

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 11:29:28 pm »
Hay Also Randi did you note your Climateapps2 link had a line in it

Total credit   1,992,042  (as of 22:27Z)

what do we have to do to reach the 2M credit, what ever that is.

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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2012, 11:49:33 pm »
Hay Also Randi did you note your Climateapps2 link had a line in it
sorry, not quite sure what you mean.

Total credit   1,992,042  (as of 22:27Z)

what do we have to do to reach the 2M credit, what ever that is.
Join the OW BOINC team!
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2028.msg26572#msg26572


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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2012, 12:40:10 am »
http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/team_display.php?teamid=9976

Part way down the attachment is the bit about the credits.

I would be happy to let my PC work on BONC (sorry BOINC) in the background but have a laptop with wireless internet. Not sure how to leave it on, shut the screen down and not get kicked off the internet for inactivity if I leave the PC on over night to run the models.

Going on a cruise this weekend (11 days). If you have any suggestions re BOINC let me know.
Stuart.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 03:25:56 am »
I think the history work we are doing will prove to be very important.

Another thing I think it'll do is correct a lot of previously accepted accounts of things.  Ships thought to be in one place when it turns out log books from five or six ships 500 miles away say they were with them.  Even dates can be corrected for a lot of different types of things (like the exact date of a remote volcanic eruption, for example).

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2012, 04:25:23 am »
I too have a laptop with wireless access and I just let BOINC run - I'm running Climateprediction.net and Mersenne@home - I just stay logged into Windows and leave the laptop open - BOINC has screen savers, so that is not an issue

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2012, 07:40:17 am »
http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/team_display.php?teamid=9976

Part way down the attachment is the bit about the credits.

I would be happy to let my PC work on BONC (sorry BOINC) in the background but have a laptop with wireless internet. Not sure how to leave it on, shut the screen down and not get kicked off the internet for inactivity if I leave the PC on over night to run the models.

Going on a cruise this weekend (11 days). If you have any suggestions re BOINC let me know.
Stuart.

 ??? I initially didn't realize that your first sentence (Hay Also Randi did you note your Climateapps2 link had a line in it) referred to your second (Total credit   1,992,042  (as of 22:27Z)), and I was trying to figure out what 'line' was in the link :-[

I think Kathy explained the laptop issue - fortunately - because I have a tower. I'll just add that you don't need to be connected to the internet all the time. Files are downloaded to your computer, you do the calculations, and then the results are uploaded. In the case of Climateprediction.net, because the models take a long time to run, intermediate results are also uploaded. Connecting once a day is sufficient.

I set my display to a blank screensaver so that all the CPU time goes to the number crunching.

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2012, 12:59:01 pm »
I work for Prof Myles Allen who leads the Climateprediction.net program that this work feeds into:
http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/mathematical_physical_life_sciences/people/dr_myles_allen.html (shame about the photo). The work is vital to indicate future climate changes.

I was amused to read in Prof. Allen's bio "(undergraduate training in philosophy proved invaluable in the IPCC process)".

If the information we transcribe is useful for historians I am pleased, but if it isn't it doesn't bother me. It is interesting to read the remarks anyway. If we didn't make the effort to understand the the writing we would miss valuable information, as DJ_59 pointed out.

Craig