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Randi

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Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« on: September 19, 2012, 07:52:18 pm »
This is the topic corresponding to Type What You See - Yes, but ...

Note oddities for the science team
Post questions about how to transcribe something
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« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 05:27:26 pm by Janet Jaguar »

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 07:36:31 am »
USRC Bear.
They have started to use
Clear in the State of the weather column
and None in the forms of clouds.
Just thought the programmers might need to know this.

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 08:41:49 am »
Ditto Fun (for Philip's software ;)):

- Pressure with the integer part dittoed and the decimal part written in (TWYS)
- A value, a blank line, and then a ditto (TWYS)
- A cloud type and a ditto in a box (TWYS)

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 10:25:34 am »
Ditto Fun (for Philip's software ;)):

- Pressure with the integer part dittoed and the decimal part written in (TWYS)
- A value, a blank line, and then a ditto (TWYS)
- A cloud type and a ditto in a box (TWYS)

The case I pointed out with the Thetis the other day is similar - there was a ditto and a "z" in the same field.  In this case he has to pick up everything from the field in the line immediatetly above and then add the "z". I can imagine his program getting more and more complex.

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 11:01:39 am »
Here's the example I referred to above http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Thetis/Thetis_1884b/Vol002of024_180_0.jpg

Interesting question of interpretation: does the ditto in the weather code at 7 AM include the "z" from above or does it only include the "bcf"? The miscellaneous remarks page suggest it was "sultry" all day so it could be the former.

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 06:23:47 pm »
Here's the example I referred to above http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Thetis/Thetis_1884b/Vol002of024_180_0.jpg

Interesting question of interpretation: does the ditto in the weather code at 7 AM include the "z" from above or does it only include the "bcf"? The miscellaneous remarks page suggest it was "sultry" all day so it could be the former.

Neither.
It copies the 4am b (clear sky moved to 10).  The Z was clearly written in caps to the side in addition to the ditto.   7am would be either "Z or bZ.  8am would go back to " or b.

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 12:34:43 am »
Will someone pass this on to Philip.

How does your software handle this situation?
(Just started the Rodgers for a change of style.)
Log shows Nim Cum. Drop down offers Cum Nim.
As the main cloud formation should be shown first, must I enter Nim Cum, or can I use the drop down Cum Nim or does it not matter?
Entering Nim Cum, U.F.N.

It has been swopped over in the Rodgers reference page

P.S. Where is the Rodgers sailing at the moment (besides At Sea). (June 1881)
« Last Edit: October 22, 2012, 01:12:59 am by pommystuart »

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 01:59:17 am »
You know USS Rodgers was a whaler bought by the Navy in 1881 to search for the lost Jeanette and she caught fire and sunk in St. Lawrence Bay, Siberia. 
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2973.msg51267#msg51267

From the gov't report on the Jeanette and her rescue expedition: http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/jeanette.htm
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The Rodgers sailed from San Francisco June 16, and arrived at Petropautooski, Kamtschatka, July 19, and at Saint Lawrence Bay August 18. (Petropavlovsk, Kamchatka on modern Google?) 
and that's the best I have on her location throughout.

And for cloud types, see Type What You See - Yes, but ...  / General Comments / Weather
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Exceptions:
- For Wind Direction: If the log keeper has written out North, South, East, or West, it is OK to select N, S, E, or W from the drop down list.
- For Cloud Code: If the cloud type or combination of types is available from the drop down list, select that even if the abbreviations or the order are different.

« Last Edit: October 22, 2012, 02:18:53 am by Janet Jaguar »

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 03:08:14 am »
OK thanks Janet.
ditto for clouds.  ;)

Serious question.
If the Rodgers (or any other ship) does not report positions on a regular basis how is the weather data going to be of any use?

Memo to self.
Must find the cold weather gear again ready for August.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2012, 03:11:17 am by pommystuart »

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 03:33:29 am »
Serious answer - they actually go into the real scans, look at the directions of course changes and plot them to make estimates.

Which is absolutely the path of last resort.  Mostly, they plot where the ship started, ended and all in between sightings, and plot the lines between those.  Philip, being a landlubber like most of us, made a computer program to figure it out.  He's now stealing all the corrections from the editors' finished histories.  ;D

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 03:11:34 pm »
Yukon (I)

9 to 28 April 1875 --- both aneroid and mercurial readings.
29 April to 1 July 1875 --- only aneroid. This is probably because we are actually on board the tug "Mary Ann".
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%201/IMG_4047_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%201/IMG_4049_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%201/IMG_4072_0.jpg

1 July:
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Party transfered from the "Mary Ann" to the "Yukon".
At 8 pm start including mercury barometer and attached thermometer readings.

8 pm, 1 July 1875 to ? --- both aneroid and mercurial readings.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2012, 07:57:12 am by randi_2 »

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 03:58:01 pm »
Good point, Randi. I didn't notice that the ship's name had changed on the top of the page. I suppose the Yukon stayed in port so there was nothing to record.

I guess this should have been posted under "type what you should have seen"  :-[

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 07:11:09 am »
Concord

The log indicated anaroid readings from 11:00AM onward 02/06/1891
No mention which was being used before.

Standard procedure has been to put an event note there.  Thanks for posting it, I'll send that to Philip and Kevin.

Kevin & Philip:
We're notifying the climatologists because they've labeled changing to aneroid bar. while continuing to record attached temps.  But it was also a very interesting and tragic day.  I'm also asking, do you mind if the insert is assembled off line and the whole transcribed from that instead of splitting each line?

without insert blocking page script:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_118_1.jpg
with insert blocking page script:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_118_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_1.jpg

insert sliced in 2, needs to be read from assembled pieces seen on
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_1.jpg
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 07:15:48 am by randi_2 »

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Re: Type What You See - Questions and Comments
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2012, 10:03:02 pm »
For the science team please: Pioneer has just recorded (18th September 1922):

Barometer compared at Norfolk Weather Bureau. Reading 0.20 in excess * Adjusted.

This is half way through the day.  Fortunately they haven't had a barometer for very long - probably a month at most.  But I imagine this means the readings are all too high.  I did think they seemed quite high, but have of course been faithfully TWIS ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7951_0.jpg

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2012, 09:35:28 pm »
A question this time - on this page they've recorded longitude at noon by D.R., and latitude as observed - I've transcribed this as two entries, which messes up the map (!) but means the info is recorded properly.  Is that correct?  Or is this one of the rare cases where we assume we know what they intended and put that in so as to have a standard record?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7960_0.jpg