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How difficult to transcribe are the currently available log pages of the Concord, relative to other ships?

1-STAR:  Easy log ‒ excellent for new transcribers
2 (66.7%)
2-STARS:  Intermediate log ‒ good for all transcribers
1 (33.3%)
3-STARS:  Challenging log ‒ suitable for experienced transcribers or new transcribers willing to take on a challenge
0 (0%)
4-STARS:  Very challenging log ‒ suitable only for experienced transcribers because of highly variable formats
0 (0%)
Sometimes one level, sometimes very much another; please explain this in a reply to this topic
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Author Topic: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments  (Read 167916 times)

Randi

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2012, 01:17:30 pm »
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-b.htm
Brooks, Jonathan.
Assistant Paymaster (Spanish-American War), 10 June, 1898. Honorably discharged 9 March, 1899. Assistant Paymaster (regular Navy), 22 May, 1899.

http://dunhamwilcox.net/bios/williams.htm
Mary Elizabeth, b. Aug. 9, 1851; m. Jan. 23, 1882, Jonathan Brooks, Asst. Paymaster U. S. N. Res. Indian Head Proving Station, Md.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0615F73F5F12738DDDA80894D1405B808DF1D3
Paymaster 1910

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2012, 03:55:28 pm »
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-b.htm
Brooks, Jonathan.
Assistant Paymaster (Spanish-American War), 10 June, 1898. Honorably discharged 9 March, 1899. Assistant Paymaster (regular Navy), 22 May, 1899.

http://dunhamwilcox.net/bios/williams.htm
Mary Elizabeth, b. Aug. 9, 1851; m. Jan. 23, 1882, Jonathan Brooks, Asst. Paymaster U. S. N. Res. Indian Head Proving Station, Md.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0615F73F5F12738DDDA80894D1405B808DF1D3
Paymaster 1910

Well bless my cotton socks - what a find!  All we need now is his photo!

Pommy Stuart

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2012, 04:34:52 am »
Here is a paper from Int'l Journal of Naval History that describes the experience of enlisted navy personnel in the 'new navy' of the 1890s - and explores why the desertion rate was so high.

http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Byers.pdf

The desertion rate in the 1890s was 15%.

Interesting! - haven't read it all yet though.  Perhaps Stuart's lot were the 15% - only joking!
J


29 Deserters in 5 months don't know the % but it must be high.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2012, 06:07:49 am »
You might just be balancing out the average for all the other arctic ships we looked at with a very small percentage of desertions.  That 15% is average, and our other ships have been much better than that.  Makes me still wonder at Concord.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2012, 08:13:10 am »
I even went on the Pioneer for a while and they still deserted.    :-[

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2012, 08:18:13 am »
How on earth did they find out that you were coming? ;D

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2012, 09:38:45 am »
 ;D

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2012, 01:03:12 am »
We moved out of New York today (26 July 1891). See animation

We stopped  At anchor off Fishers Island, L.I. Sound  :(
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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2012, 09:18:44 pm »
I even went on the Pioneer for a while and they still deserted.    :-[

I don't want to cast aspersions - but they seem to have stopped now you've moved on ....   ::)

And at the moment we're in port so they could if they wanted to.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2012, 10:46:09 pm »
Ahhhhhh. Thats Snot funy.
Helen, you are obviously a nicer Captain than I am.   ;)
At least Concord crew has stopped deserting now we are on a short trip up river to L.I. Sound and back.
To make up for that, they dropped 45 fathoms of anchor chain (with the anchor attached) down to Davy Jones Locker, found it again and  hooked it back up again. They are getting better.  ;D

Back to Pioneer in a couple of weeks when this logbook finishes, that should reduce the crew.
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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2012, 12:48:53 pm »
With any luck we'll be on the move again by then, so they won't have the option ....

Not sure I'm a particularly nice Captain, though; after all, all the ones who deserted during your transcribing on Pioneer were under my captaincy - so you could even reckon it's my fault if you wanted to feel better about it ... ::)

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2012, 08:23:30 am »
E. Moore (cqm) returned on board drunk and making disrespectful gestures at officer, disrated of deck.

Does anybody know what 'disrated of deck' means?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_187_1.jpg
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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2012, 09:10:20 am »
Dictionary says:
disrate [dɪsˈreɪt] vb (Military) (tr) Naval to punish (an officer) by lowering him in rank
but that doesn't explain deck.

A couple of lines further down it mentions him being released from confinement. I wonder if the 'of deck' part meant that he was forcibly removed from the deck?



CQM - CHIEF QUARTERMASTER (CHIEF PETTY OFFICER) - http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/docs/abbreviations/Ranks_Navy.pdf

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2012, 07:17:55 pm »
I think he was already doing time for some other punishment.
I had the disrate, the of desk stumpt me.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2012, 08:01:31 pm »
Here is an interesting article on Navy ratings: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq46-1.htm (some info on pay rates at the turn of the century too).

As for disrated of deck - given the responsibilities of CQM I'd *guess* they busted him to more menial tasks (kinda like KP duty -- KP = Kitchen Patrol on land). That is they took his navigating and deck-supervisory role away -- in effect kicking him off the quarterDECK).