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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #285 on: August 19, 2013, 05:55:36 am »
Kevin explained that.  :)
It could be that there is a standard billet list for the ship - in today's merchant marine it is the official manning document that is part of the certificate of inspection. So a ship has to have, say, one master, three mates, 4 ABs and 8 ordinary seamen...  So you hire the only guy you have to fill the OS billet and then promote him to his usual rating and pay. In fact, now that I think about it I sailed on more than one occasion in a billet two levels below grade but was paid my usual rate as chief officer or whatever it was. This was because the person who was supposed to sail as 3rd was not able to make it and I was asked to make a 'pier-head leap' as its called.

On paper in port, they must fill all the low rated berths, if they hire over-qualified sailors (nice on a science ship) then they wait til the paper is filed and then raise their pay to meet their real qualifications.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #286 on: August 19, 2013, 06:10:23 am »
Hi Janet.
Prompt reply  :)
There were red changes on the complement list but that was back in June 93..
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_005_0.jpg

This was not the situation Kevin was on about and which I can understand, these looked like they got their own job back no promotions or demotions.
Looked ahead till 1 Jan 1895 and no mention of changes in ratings. Strange,

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #287 on: August 19, 2013, 07:22:00 pm »
In this case I wonder under what orders the commanding officer was relieved > routine or for cause? If the latter the bureaucracy may have considered his actions somehow less than valid and therefore required his ratings to be reviewed and redone by the new commander. Sort of like when the Chief Justice of the US flubbed his lines at a certain ceremony a few years ago.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #288 on: August 19, 2013, 07:24:56 pm »
Thanks Kevin!

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #289 on: August 19, 2013, 09:38:04 pm »
Thanks Kevin, if you find out please let me / us know.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #290 on: August 19, 2013, 11:48:55 pm »
The were a lot of demotions while the ship was in Seoul. Maybe the new captain wants to make nice and have a Christmas amnesty.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #291 on: August 20, 2013, 08:48:28 am »
That is correct Jay.
I often wonder how long the de-rating goes on for as you rarely see promoted back notes. There must be an awfully large number of 4th class ratings on the ship by now.
Christmas has passed on the ship for me but Happy Christmas to all of the crew.
New Year in a few days.
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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #292 on: August 20, 2013, 05:40:46 pm »
You people in Australia get to celebrate everything earlier than the rest of us. Usually you're just a day ahead, but now you're at least a month ahead!!!!   ;)

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #293 on: August 20, 2013, 09:39:13 pm »
Hi Michael.
Happy New Year (1895).

I am going on a 3 week holiday to Antartica and peru in November.   :D
Got to make sure I am not usurped whilst I am away.   :P

Keep up the good work crew.
Stuart.
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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #294 on: August 20, 2013, 11:55:48 pm »
Stuart,

   We haven't booked our flights yet, but we plan to leave on or around Oct 17 for Sydney to see a couple of wee Australian relatives, returning in early Nov. I will let you know when the dates are firm. You won't have to worry about me catching up, because I will be off duty for a couple of weeks, too. Perhaps we can share a beer or wine, if there's any worth drinking in that country.  ;D

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #295 on: August 21, 2013, 07:29:29 am »
Look forward to seeing you.
As long as you don't want Fosters beer most others are drinkable.


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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #296 on: August 21, 2013, 11:59:34 pm »
Nice to have friends in high places. From 13 Dec. 1894, anchored of Wuhu on the Yangtse River:

Received on board as a gift from H. E. the Taotai to the Commanding Officer the following:- 4 chests of tea, 2 jars of wine, 40 chickens and 10 sheep.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #297 on: August 22, 2013, 03:46:47 am »
The lamb was nice.  ;D

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #298 on: August 24, 2013, 11:26:06 pm »
Opps.

02/02/1895

4PM - 8PM. Lt. Hogg returned from a shooting trip to Second Island and reported that a chinaman had been accidentally shot by C.H. Bullock, ap 1 C, who returned with Lieut Hogg and that the natives were holding B.H. Shepley Ap 1 C, one of the party and refused to give him up. * Lt Prime, Lt Hogg and a party of seven Marines left the ship with a Chinese Interpreter to explain that whatever cause of complaint the matter would be settled properly by the U.S. Consul through the Taotai, in the steam launch for the scene of the trouble at 5.25.  No perceptible current. *   Besides B.H. Shepley Ap1C, Lieut W.A. Gill and Ass't Engr J.B. Patton of the shooting party were on the Island when Lt. Hogg left it.

03/02/1895.
4AM to 8AM.
At 6.40 Lieutenant M. Johnston left the ship on duty to make arrangements for communicating with the shooting party still absent at Second Island.
8AM to Meridian.
Ensign M. Johnston returned on board at 9.00 AM having set on foot through the U.S. Consul the securing of a government steam launch to establish communication with our steam launch and party still absent at Second Island - about 9 miles down the river. The steam launch with all absentees safe and sound returned at 10:45.

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Re: Concord -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #299 on: August 25, 2013, 04:50:54 am »
Did they every say how serious the injury was?  That is a very hard way to make friends.