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Randi

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2013, 08:06:18 pm »
Mutiny on the EWING

http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ewingmutiny.html

It takes a bit to get going, but it is quite a story.
John and Peter Black are mentioned.
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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2013, 11:24:17 pm »
Janet reported this (but not the hanging!)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3531.msg58891#msg58891

I never read it in detail, just the page headings!!  Bad habit, I miss all the juicy stories being that hasty.

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2013, 06:45:10 pm »
Mutiny on the EWING

http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ewingmutiny.html

It takes a bit to get going, but it is quite a story.
John and Peter Black are mentioned.

Brilliant find. Ghastly ends though! Swinging from the yard arm literally, or being let off with 100 lashes (HOW  do you survive 100 lashes?) followed by hard labor-cum-solitary confinement.
Jeepers.  :o

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2013, 05:11:01 pm »
I just looked at one of these Ewing crew list pages. By the handwriting I guess these are research notes from sometime much later - was there any indication on the first page who the writer was or when?

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« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 01:12:17 pm by AvastMH »

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2013, 05:09:50 pm »
I just finished the first log book for the Patterson, which ends Feb 5 1885 or so.

The next log book that comes up for the ship is from Jan 1, 1911 - Mar 31, 1911.

Is that a normal jump or does it matter if the log books are not in order chronologically?

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2013, 05:22:31 pm »
It depends on the order they were scanned by NARA, not the order they were written.  If you look at the Patterson reference page written by our shipherds, you will see we were sent sample of 2 very different types of printed logs, one from 1884 and one from 1914.  If you post us a link to your new log page, we can see which of the log formats this is.

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2013, 05:31:10 pm »
The format changed completely between the two.  Easy to figure out, but it just seemed odd that they'd put the books in an order that skips 26 years or something between book 1 and 2.

As long as it works for you people using this data, it doesn't much matter to me - just thought I'd ask if this was an error on somebody's part before I get in too deep.
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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2013, 05:36:49 pm »
Nope - we asked for a wide range of logs.  And got them.  ;D

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2013, 06:14:45 pm »
Copy from crew list topic:

Beware, this is also one of the books scanned for our beta testing, when grad students were learning how to scan by trial and error.  Watch for duplicate pages - the additional pages may be skipped.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4982_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4983_0.jpg

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2013, 07:06:04 pm »
Scanning is too difficult a task for your average grad student these days?  :o ???

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2013, 07:10:50 pm »
And yes, there are duplicated pages.  The officer list was duplicated.  Jan 1 was duplicated.  We'll see what else happens...

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2013, 07:13:51 pm »
Yes... ;D
On January 8, 1910 (which is really 1911, but should be transcribed as 1910 because that is what is in the log) the Air (Dry) temperature is in the wrong column.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4993_0.jpg
You can see that the column headings have been corrected. The data should be entered in the correct column (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628).

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Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2013, 08:39:50 pm »
Also, what is with those dry temperature readings - they're showing readings of between 5 and 15 or so. 

I figure that can't be degrees Fahrenheit - Weather Underground shows the record low for Jan 3 in Alameda CA as 3?C.  So it must be some other scale?