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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2016, 12:43:02 pm »
A couple more for The Marquesas:
Albion2 P47: https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/762acfd0-139a-4114-a1d5-7b9c4e46f08e.jpeg

6th March 1856
From Geographic.org:
Full Name (see definition): Magdalena Island
Primary Country Code (see definition): FP (French Polynesia)
First-order administrative division code (see definition): 00 (French Polynesia (general) )
Region Font Code (see definition): 1 (Americas/Western Europe)
Unique Feature Identifier (see definition): -1310159
Unique Name Identifier (see definition): -1896130
Latitude in decimal degrees (see definition): -10.466667
Longitude in decimal degrees (see definition): -138.633333

Second place mentioned is Waitahou - I think that this is the Albion 2 version of Vaihatu, but impossible to confirm.

Same page: 10th March 1856 (South side of Domenica)
'bay of Hanavuate' - also unfound on maps :(


Waitahoo/Waitahou should indeed be S.Christina Island or Vaihatu (see https://books.google.it/books?id=Xvod6ICJxiUC&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=waitahoo&q=waitahoo&f=false#v=onepage)
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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2016, 12:45:26 pm »
In the meantime i've found a mention of Hanarora (and also Hanaca-oa) here: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/46390/46390-h/46390-h.htm

I'm still reading through it to see if i can determine those settlement position.
Hanacaoa is mentioned as being up (or windward) and therefore to the east, 3 miles (not specified whether nautical or not - and i'm not sure if the book is fictional work or not) while Hanarora being to down "a few miles" to the leeward and therefore to the west.

In the book the crew fleeing on foot from Hanacaoa passed a hill to return to Hanaiapa bay... i'm inclined to think that Hanacaoa is the actual bay of Hanatekua.

Hanarora could be the unnamed bay west of Hanaiapa entrance, west of where a cascade is present (mentioned around the internet as a tourist's place to visit), otherwise it could be the Hanaohouua bay (i've checked that 'r' is a sound present in Maori language, while Marquesan language has not that sound, which is substituted by some kind of guttural stop. Taking 'r's out of Hanarora makes the name Hana'o'a, which is not that far from Hanaohouua sound).
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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #92 on: July 26, 2016, 02:08:07 pm »
Well done propriome - fantastic find! Let's hope the whereabouts is revealed.

Another stop for Albion
P47 Alb2: https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/762acfd0-139a-4114-a1d5-7b9c4e46f08e.jpeg
Looks like 'Hanavuate' on 10th March, but is written more clearly as Hanamate on the 11th March:
Geonames:
Hanamate
Hana Mate,Hanamate
4020052
H BAY bay
French Polynesia PF
-9.80849, -139.00454

And:
P48 Alb2 15th March
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/aa82eb75-5af2-400c-9209-b58fe1231a6b.jpeg
Saw the island of Uahuga:
Full Name (see definition): Uahuga
Primary Country Code (see definition): FP (French Polynesia)
First-order administrative division code (see definition): 00 (French Polynesia (general) )
Latitude in decimal degrees (see definition): -8.9
Longitude in decimal degrees (see definition): -139.55
(also known as Ua Huka)

Both places added to map, ref & csv. Thanks Joan!
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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #93 on: August 16, 2016, 06:57:54 pm »
April 25, 1863

They report their position in the Meridian to 4pm entry as bearings to Princess Island (ESE 1/2 E) and Cockatoo Island (NE by E). From their last reported coordinates they should be near the Sunda Strait. Princess Island would be Panaitan, and the island to the NE by E would probably be Krakatoa, although I could only find one possible reference to that.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_155_1.jpg

Agree with both. Panaitan is historically known as Princes Island (with just an 's'), and the Cockatoo can be only Krakatoa from that position. Both places and aliases added to map, ref & csv. Thanks Randi and Bob!
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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2016, 03:28:07 pm »
USS Jamestown
May 22, 1863

In the 8 to Midnight entry they report a Pluto Island bearing WNW by compass. Based on their reported positions on the 22nd and 23rd this would probably be Cu Lao Thu, a small island off S.E. Vietnam.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_169_1.jpg

Hon Phu Quy and its aliases Poulo Cecil de Mer and Pluto Island (had not yet added the Cu Lao Thu alias, will do asap) added to map, ref & csv. Thanks Bob.

Wasn't too sure on this, i've found nothing on the internet and according to ship position, the one observed could also be the Great Catwick Island (or Round Island), as apparently the ship cruised inside the Catwick group, keeping Great Catwick on the WNW and Little Catwick on the ESE... but i think the Poulo Cecil de Mer option is the best one.

One of the numerous HMS Pluto was active in that area, maybe the island was named after her. Had not found anything though except her exploration of a river in Malaysia in this 1878 book
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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2016, 05:14:20 pm »
Especially with the French name Poulo C?cil de Mer.

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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2017, 09:54:07 pm »
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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2017, 01:47:39 pm »
The whaler Belvedere (1894) log spells Kaua'i Island (Hawaii) 'Koruai'

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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2017, 02:43:57 pm »
Nihoa,
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United States US ? Hawaii HI ? Honolulu County 003
23.06031, -161.92045

Also called Bird Island (log of the whaler Belvedere 1894, https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634020)

(not to be confused with Nihao)

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Re: China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion
« Reply #101 on: September 15, 2017, 10:52:21 am »
Came across a reference to Brothers Light in Diana's log, she was heading for Singapore. Reference 5.10am

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39832/ADM%2053-39832-015_0.jpg

It seems it is now indexed as Pulau Iyu Kecil in Indonesia.

http://wlol.arlhs.com/lighthouse/IDO72.html