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Maikel

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Unknown symbol
« on: November 29, 2012, 09:12:14 am »
Whilst editing the logs of H.M.S. Astraea I've stumbled upon a symbol that has no meaning to me.
It's a circle with a slash through it (see attachment).

8.25am: Aasvogel's Kop ~ 4404 feet mountain N3W

Any idea's?

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 11:26:10 am »
This is probably not a lot of help ... but I remember this coming up many months ago on the forum (good luck looking!).  It's possible that it means something like 'peak' or 'summit"

 ???

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 12:29:14 pm »
I remember feeling frustrated because we could never define it, but several searches in the forum came up blank.  I just don't remember exact words used at the time to do a good search.

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 12:31:41 pm »
I spent quite a bit of time looking for it too. I know that I asked about it!
I suspect that it was deleted in the pre-Phase 3 clean up.

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 12:35:23 pm »
Thanks for your efforts.

Here's something I posted earlier this morning in an other post (that most of you'll already have read)...

I'm starting to think it's meaning is 'top' or 'peak', since Aasvogel's Kop is a mountain in South Africa.

For those not fluent in Dutch: Aasvogel means vulture and Kop means head, or in this context hill, so Vulture's Head or Vulture's Hill.

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2012, 09:15:57 am »
New theory about that symbol based on a new page (see attachment).
Could it mean 'averaged' or 'centre'?

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2012, 10:13:24 am »
New theory about that symbol based on a new page (see attachment).
Could it mean 'averaged' or 'centre'?

I'd say, φ means "sighted" there.  I think they are sighting on 2 different pairs of beacons (one at St. Andrews' close) being sighted on to determine the middle of the river/bay/whatever.  This is consistent with the sighting on "Aasvogel's Kop φ 4404 feet mountain N3W".

It's nice to have a better guess at this. :)

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 11:01:20 am »
Sometimes you have to be patient and every now and then try another search.  :)
It pays of, because I've stumbled on this http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/47/474.html.

I'll go with 'average', 'mean'.

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2012, 11:22:46 am »
That is a very good guess, and I love your symbol encyclopedia. :)

How do you read "Aasvogel's Kop φ 4404 feet mountain N3W"?


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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2012, 02:19:16 pm »
It most certainly does!!  No single peak at all to go by. :)

Added to both Abbreviation lists:
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φ - Phi. (Greek letter.) Average or mean position of sighting multiple or elongated objects.  Example: "Aasvogel's Kop φ 4404 feet mountain N3W" (center of flat topped mountain, South Africa)


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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 02:43:27 pm »
Actually Janet, I found it not looking for phi, but for the Scandinavian slashed O (Alt-0216).

I'm not sure how to get it to show here, because it's automatically changed into a question mark.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 02:52:59 pm by Maikel »

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2012, 04:11:07 pm »
I noticed that, in the symbol page you sent me to, but ...
  • On your symbol page, they clearly state it is as phi that it means 'average', not the Scandinavian letter.
  • The Wiki disambiguation page distinguishes the most common difference in the symbols 'phi' and the Scandinavian letter as Φ and ?.  (I went there to get the typed symbols for this post.)
  • Our log keepers use a vertical slash, and their handwriting trumps any more modern source for me. 

And you can put any such symbol into a forum post by finding an online page (such as Wiki) that uses it as a typed digit and not a pasted picture.  Use a simple copy/paste to insert it in your forum post. :)
« Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 04:14:08 pm by Janet Jaguar »

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2012, 06:38:32 pm »
Sorry, misunderstanding.
I wasn't doubting your phi, I was merely explaining how I found it.  ;)

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Re: Unknown symbol
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2012, 07:15:44 pm »
never apologize for serendipity - if luck gives you a lucky find, take credit for it. ;D