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AvastMH

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Dis-rating of the day
« on: November 30, 2012, 12:58:28 am »
Named and/or shamed? Are some of your seamen so rank that they've lost it (their rank I mean)?
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I looked up disrating and found this from Hansard (The official record of the discussions of the House of Commons, UK Parliament) from 1909:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1909/apr/02/royal-navy-disrating-petty-officers

 HC Deb 02 April 1909 vol 3 c695W 695W

    ? Sir JOHN BENN

    asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether any decision has been arrived at with regard to the request that no chief petty or non-commissioned officer shall be disrated until tried and sentenced by a court-martial; and that such tribunal shall have upon it an officer possessing technical knowledge of the duties of the officer charged?

    ? Mr. McKENNA

    A Departmental Committee recently recommended that no change should be made in the existing practice; and at a deputation which I received in July last I explained that I could not hold out any hope that the Admiralty would take any steps to reconsider their attitude in this matter.

Back to Royal Victoria Yard (Rate of Wages). LOOK!  WAGES! See below just for now - I'll shift wages to the right place tomorrow(oh no it IS tomorrow)
Forward to Repairs of War Vessels.
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HC Deb 02 April 1909 vol 3 cc694-5W 694W

    ? Mr. BOWERMAN

    asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is aware that the yard craftsmen are often called upon to work continuously from 12 to 16 hours per day, and that the scale of pay at the Royal Victoria Yard is 1s. 8d. per day for ordinary seamen, 2s. 2d. per day for A.B. seamen, and 2s. 5d. per day for stokers, with 1s. 6d. per day victualling allowance to each class of men; and whether he will concede to these men the London rate of wages for seamen, and overtime for all hours worked in excess of those worked by the workmen employed at the Royal Victoria Yard?

    ? Mr. McKENNA

    The matter is receiving the immediate consideration of the Board.


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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 08:00:47 pm »
The Rodgers 30th Sept 1881:
By order of Comnd'g Officer Wm Rohdy (Qm) was disrated + reduced to Seaman for gross insolence to the Officer of the Deck.    (naughty naughty!)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0128_1.jpg

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 10:51:46 pm »
Jamestown  (1886)

05/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_116_1.jpg
Dis-rated
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Weir, J. - C.T.     disrated to seaman for using vile language towards apprentices

Followed by a promotion
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Kane, P.J. - sea.     rated Captain of the Top

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2016, 07:45:54 pm »
Jamestown  (1886)
05/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_116_1.jpg
Dis-rated
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Weir, J. - C.T.     disrated to seaman for using vile language towards apprentices

Very bad form  - swearing at all, let alone to the poor apprentices  :-\ :(

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 01:25:22 am »
Some of the apprentices on this voyage are experts at pushing buttons and yanking chains.  I'm not saying that they had it coming, but........  ;)

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 11:25:16 am »
Some of the apprentices on this voyage are experts at pushing buttons and yanking chains.  I'm not saying that they had it coming, but........  ;)

Fair point  :D

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2016, 10:01:41 pm »
Jamestown (1886)
12/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_156_1.jpg
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Brown, W.H. (Cabin Steward) disrated to Landsmen
Lock, F. (C. of T.) disrated to Seaman, for inattention to duties and insolence to officer of deck

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2016, 06:22:56 am »
Albatross April 1908 Bohol Island, Philippines
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol042of055/vol042of055_0048_1.jpg

By order of Commanding Officer Chin Ah, WRS., was disrated to Mess Att. 3 class for "intentionally permitting wardroom food to spoil, that he was not allowed to purchase".

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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2016, 06:52:13 am »
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Re: Dis-rating of the day
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2016, 10:58:05 am »
Gosh - I'd love to know what went off  :o