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camiller

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 06:16:16 pm »
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_110_1.jpg

Several other Apprentice Boys:
Viz. Daniel Bishop    What does Viz. mean?
Rich'd Johnson
G T Hill    or is it G J Hill?
Tho's Jones

and
Ja's E Land   We know his middle initial now!

see answer at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg74422#msg74422
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 06:46:46 pm by Janet Jaguar »

Craig

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 06:43:28 pm »
I think it is the following:

Viz. (also rendered viz without a period) and the adverb videlicet are used as synonyms for "namely", "that is to say", and "as follows".

Craig, Matteo (a.k.a. Propriome, a moderator for this board) doesn't mind questions/comments in the original post with names, but gets fussy about replies interrupting the reading of the lists.  I do my best to honor folks who make our moderator lives easier.  See how I answered this at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg74422#msg74422
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 06:50:48 pm by Janet Jaguar »

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2013, 10:45:29 pm »
The afternoon after the ship leaves port, and several lashes, ratings, and disratings, with the names of several crew:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_112_0.jpg

I've bolded names not in the crew list.  Is W'm Fanly = Fanley?   Is Bargemen a rank or last name? No other ranks given in this section.

"Punished the following ment with one dozen with the cats each John Bennet & Moses Toppan for smugling liquor James Beddinger for fighting & drunkenness W'm Evens for drunkenness, fighting, abusive Language & Biting.  H. F. Hines for being drunk noisy Mutinous & Abusive. Vincent C Grand & W'm Fanly being Drunk on duty. W'm Beverage & John Skyles Bargemen for leaving the boat without permission & J~'d Fletcher for leaving the ship without permission"

"Rated & disrated the following men John Crofts Q. Master to coxswain, John Glover Cap't Top. to Q. Master Amos Sterns Sea. to Cap't. Fore Top. Disrated John Conyers Coxswain to Sea."
« Last Edit: September 29, 2013, 07:44:46 pm by camiller »

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2013, 12:08:35 pm »
I would say Bargemen is a last name. A google search turned up several people with that name.

Looking at:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_006_0.jpg
http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/docs/abbreviations/Ranks_Navy.pdf
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-2.htm
I don't see Bargemen (or man)

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2013, 01:20:35 pm »
A death among the Krooman, with no mention of cause:

"At 3 Pack Musquito (Krooman) departed this life."

"Sent on shore the remains of Pack Musquito (Krooman) for burial."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_115_0.jpg

Is this the same "Mosquitoe" included in the crew list?

Rest in Peace, Pack Musquito

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2013, 02:52:11 pm »
Returned from liberty, July 16, 1845:

Ben J. Acker Sea.
John J. Welsh Sea.
Tho's Kellar O.S. Marines
Serg't Radcliff
Privates Kuhn & Cressman


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_116_0.jpg

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2013, 05:16:03 pm »
Quote
Is this the same "Mosquitoe" included in the crew list?
I suspect so.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_047_1.jpg

I think it is Jack rather than Pack. (Palmas & Pork and J.C. Beaumont & H.J.Hartstene)

I have a very hard time with I, J, and P, and also with L and S ::)
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Morris, Isaac N.
Midshipman, 7 July, 1836. Passed Midshipman, 1 July, 1842. Died 4 January, 1848.
'new' http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_089_0.jpg



I wonder if it is actually:
Tho's Kellar O.S.
and
Marines Serg't Radcliff, Privates Kuhn & Cressman
?

"Ordinary seaman was the second-lowest rank of the 19th century United States Navy, ranking above landsman and below seaman. Promotion from landsman to ordinary seaman required three years of experience or re-enlistment. An ordinary seaman who gained six years of experience and "knew the ropes", that is, knew the name and use of every line in the ship's rigging, could be promoted to seaman. An ordinary seaman's duties aboard ship included "handling and splicing lines, and working aloft on the lower mast stages and yards."

Sergeant is "A noncommissioned rank in the U.S. Army or Marine Corps that is above corporal and below staff sergeant."

"In the U.S. Marine Corps, private (PVT) only refers to the lowest enlisted rank, just below private first class. A Marine Corps private wears no uniform insignia and is sometimes described as having a "slick sleeve" for this reason. Most new, non-officer marines begin their military career as a private. In the Marine Corps, privates first class are not referred to as "privates"; It is more appropriate to use either "private first class" or "PFC"."

All from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2013, 01:41:58 am »
Oh, tricked by the handwriting!  Yes, Randi, you are right on all counts and I have edited those pages.  Thanks!

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2013, 03:02:41 pm »
 A temporary officer:
"Lieutenant James A Doyle of the U. S. Ship "Yorktown" reported for temporary dudy in consequence of the illness of Lieutenant J. J. B. Walbach"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_125_1.jpg

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2013, 08:47:11 pm »
Doyle, James A.
Midshipman, 4 January, 1832. Passed Midshipman, 23 June, 1838. Lieutenant, 29 March, 1844. Reserved List, 13 September, 1855. Restored to Active List, 7 August, 1860. Retired 4 December, 1861. Died 3 August, 1865.

http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-d.htm

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 02:52:10 am »
August 5, 1845, as the Jamestown leaves Palmas:

"Mustered the crew and punished the following men viz.  Daniel Connell (OS) for Drunkeness and fighting on Berth Deck one dozen with the cats. Alexander Somerfield for drunkeness and fighting one dozen with the cats.  Thomas Hines (Sea) for being drunk on duty and doubling grog tub one dozen with the cats.  W'm Pemison (Sea) for disobedience of orders and deserting his Boat one dozen with the cats.  Alexander Kenneir (OS) for getting drunk in his boat and being noisy one dozen with the cats."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_126_0.jpg

Update:
Is the Thomas Hines mentioned above = "H. F. Hines" mentioned  in:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_112_0.jpg  ?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 05:01:25 pm by camiller »

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 11:44:29 am »
This type of punishment goes on regularly until about 1850 or 1851, Camillier. After that, they are put in irons and fed only bread and water. I guess the navy decided that, in addition to being sadistic, flogging did nothing to correct bad behaviour.

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 03:26:38 pm »
That's good to know, Craig!  I only have a sample size of 2, but do the ships generally reserve these punishments for the afternoon that they leave port?  Presumably there are some drunk crew during the weeks that they are in port.

I posted the quote for the crew mentioned.  So sad that the only way we learn of some crew members is when they are mentioned in the log for punishment, at least from what I can see.

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 04:34:09 pm »
I think that is a common occasion for flogging, Camiller, but it often happens at sea - cases of insubordination, pilfering rum, falling asleep on watch duty and disputes between the crew members. The highest number of cats was 50, I think. Must have been horrible!

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 04:54:57 pm »
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