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How difficult to transcribe are the currently available log pages of the Jamestown (1844), relative to other ships?

1-STAR:  Easy log ‒ excellent for new transcribers
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2-STARS:  Intermediate log ‒ good for all transcribers
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3-STARS:  Challenging log ‒ suitable for experienced transcribers or new transcribers willing to take on a challenge
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4-STARS:  Very challenging log ‒ suitable only for experienced transcribers because of highly variable formats
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AvastMH

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Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:24:22 pm »
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If you need help transcribing see:
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List of all known log books:

1: 25 Dec 1844 - 13 Apr 1846

2: 14 Apr 1846 - 16 Aug 1846

3: 13 Jul 1847 - 29 Jul 1848

4: 30 Jul 1848 - 15 Aug 1849

5: 16 Aug 1849 - 11 May 1850

6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852

7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854

8: 22 Feb 1855 -  31 Dec 1855

9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857

11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858

12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859

13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860

14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862

15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863

16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864

17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2013, 04:14:15 pm »
There is more discussion on transcribing weather from remarks further along in this topic:

1. Philip has asked us to record air and water temperatures and pressures when they are given in the events as sometimes happens when there is no weather grid: Temperature + Pressure.

2. Additionally, Craig came up with the idea of trying to capture text descriptions to supplement the information given in the weather grid or to create a grid: Wind force and weather. Camiller and I have been doing that. It is entirely up to you if you do that or not. I have to admit that I'm not entirely sure it is worth the effort. Philip thinks that it is an interesting idea, but he is not at all sure he will be able to use the data - though future analysts might.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 04:41:42 pm »
 ;)  Will do!

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 05:05:35 pm »
Warning for the faint at heart - page 3, 2 lines in, and we've already got the lash out....  :P :-\ :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_006_0.jpg

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 05:45:56 pm »
In general for all these really old ships:

I totally agree with Randi, when there are no charts just transcribe the weather description as written, as an Event.  The analyst team will then have it on their computer screens without having to decipher handwriting - which is a huge gain from their POV.  They already know this happens in all the blank book logs (no pre-printed tables.)

Whenever you find numbers, codes or a chart, make it fit into the weather data as best you can.  The Beaufort code was fully developed by this time, but it is clear the US Navy was not yet in love with it in the 1840s.

As to the punishment, yes we are back in difficult history. 

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 05:59:25 pm »
All three of the later Jamestown logbook-batches do have normal logbook formats.

Transcribing descriptions of the weather is, currently, optional, but if you don't want to do it, you might be happier on another ship.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2013, 12:05:04 am »
I think this is just a case of 'let's not bother too much since we're only just equipping the ship' (oh yes - some loooooong lists of gear are coming up, but nowhere near the calibre of the Jeannette). They open the log on xmas day 1844, and we know that there's a proper log on the go by the 8th Feb '45.
Do you reckon it's worth trying to squeeze the info in the weather boxes then? - it's flimsy 'light airs, a bit cloudy with snow'. I think it's better as events myself.  8)

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 01:50:10 am »
I agree, that's a sentence, not a set of instrument readings.  When they give more precise numbers, etc, we can play with getting them into our readings boxes.  They aren't the first ship who left weather readings to the port authorities. ;)

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2013, 09:43:05 pm »
On the January 7, 1845 page 4 more men get 12 lashes each. This does not seem like a happy ship and they are just starting their commision. i guess this log is not for the squemish. Back to the important stuff I am running into long lists of gear including 10 colt pistols and 10 colt rifles. weather information they give the wind directionand things like "light breeze". Some of the handwriting is hard to read. If I can make out weather information i will print it.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2013, 09:50:42 pm »
This is from the Naval OR on what this ship did during the "Great war of the rebelion" American civil War part 1
may 1861 Philidelphia
Jun off Charlestown blockade duty
July off Savannah
August Fernandina Florida burned the grounded bark Alvarado which had been captured by the raider Jeff Davis
August St Johns Florida captured the schnoor Aicbirth
September off Savannah captures and scuttles the fishing smack Colonel Long 14 tons
October off Willimington
December Cape fear NC captures the sloop Havelock
January 1862 at hampton roads needs repairs
February off Wilmington
April near Wilmington grounded steamship Nashville a blockade runner gets away
May captures British brig Intended off Wilmington later to hampton roads then Philidephia navy yard for overhaul

end of part 1 from Series I vol 5,6,& 7



corrected Fernddia Fernandina spelling.  JB
source:
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/j2/jamestown-i.htm
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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2013, 08:32:29 pm »
part 2
September 1862 orders to proceed to the East Indies via the Cape of Good Hope with stops at Montivadeo and Rio De Janaro
March 1863 at capetown
May Batavia
June Macao
September Yokohoma
Dececember to China
April 1864 Macao
July Yokohama to help guard the US Minester
September chartered the steamer Ta-Kiang and fought an action at Shimonoseki
January 1865 Japan to Macao
April Macao
Jun to August Macao to Mare Island Naval Yard California
from the Naval OR Series I Vols 1,2,&3
I hope this is of some interest it looks like this ship really did some traveling during the war.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2013, 10:55:09 pm »
If it doesn't add to the sea ice project, it most certainly adds to all the global projects half a century before our RN ships.  I'll bet that is an interesting voyage.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2013, 11:54:28 pm »
Warning for the faint at heart - page 3, 2 lines in, and we've already got the lash out....  :P :-\ :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_006_0.jpg

That's where the phrase 'The cat's out of the bag' came from! :-X

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2013, 08:26:28 am »
Well, maybe/maybe not...
Let the cat out of the bag: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag.html

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2013, 10:01:15 pm »
Jamestown1886 - no date on the weather log page? Date only appears on the opposite (detailed log entry) page. Or am I blind? Seems weird NOT to put date on left (both) pages...

Or I am blind  :D