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Craig

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2013, 05:04:57 pm »
It's still surprising that they confiscated William Von Pfister's ship and fined him. This was in 1847. Was there a U.S. law against the slave trade at that time or was it confiscated for other reasons?

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2013, 11:26:06 pm »
It's still surprising that they confiscated William Von Pfister's ship and fined him. This was in 1847. Was there a U.S. law against the slave trade at that time or was it confiscated for other reasons?

A long time before:  http://history1800s.about.com/od/slaveryinamerica/a/1807slaveact.htm

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2013, 01:42:46 am »
Interesting. Thanks, Janet.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2013, 11:49:10 am »
I notice the Jamestown (1844) is on sea time so I am recording PM and AM. I haven't got far enough yet to observe if they change to civil time when in port.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2013, 12:15:26 pm »
Thanks!

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2013, 12:21:10 pm »
It doesn't change.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2013, 01:23:37 pm »
At 9.30 called all hands to muster and read a general order from commodore Skinner for the suppression of duelling.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2013, 07:42:49 pm »
 :o Had there been an outbreak of duelling?

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2013, 08:27:12 pm »
You can read a little of the book Africa Squadron and the book reviews on amazon. com. I am glad some of you found this interesting. You may also know that in 1819 a law was passed called the Slave Trade suppression act which allowed the navy to operate off Africa. In 1820 the law was changed to make slave trading the same as piracy which carried the death penalty. Only one man was hung for this crime. Most of the rest either got short jail sentences of a few years and were often pardoned !? Some slave ships that were captured were confiscated but in other cases the judge through the case out and the ship was released. In a few cases the Captains of the USN ships that captured the slave ships were sued by the slave ship owners!? This was a frustrating time for the USN however in the 1858-1861 period the US finally sent an adequate force to operate off Africa the squadrons success rate increased.
 As for dueling before this time there was a lot of dueling between officers in the USN and around this time the Navy decided to put a stop to it. Also note: there was still dueling going on between civilians in the US even a few cases of women dueling women. I know some of this sounds a little strange but things like this did happen.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2013, 09:45:36 pm »
Thanks for this information, James. I was wondering about the dueling too.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2013, 01:11:35 pm »
Here's what you might call a motley crew:

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Received the following Kroomen - Jack Will, Ben Coffee, Poor Joe, Jack Saove, Jack Everyday, Jack Frypan, John Peter, Jack Roberts, Mosquitoe, Jack Crowbar.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2013, 01:19:10 pm »
They got rid of some of the worst the following day:

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Discharged Jack Neverfear and Bottle Beer (Kroomen)

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2013, 02:01:02 pm »
They got rid of some of the worst the following day:

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Discharged Jack Neverfear and Bottle Beer (Kroomen)

These guys joined the crew in Porto Praya on 19. Feb. They came from the Macedonian.

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2013, 05:18:02 pm »
The Macedonian might have been unloading its trouble makers. Of course, I am only going by the names, but Crowbar sounds like someone you might want on a construction job, but not sailing a ship.  ;D

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Re: Jamestown (1844) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2013, 11:19:20 pm »