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AvastMH

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #165 on: November 20, 2016, 01:40:40 pm »
Northwind (1948) in the Tongass Narrows names Idaho Rock Light Buoy. Page is not dated sadly.

Idaho Rock 0 m
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United States US ? Alaska AK ? Ketchikan Gateway Borough 130
55.31699, -131.60215

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2016, 09:02:00 pm »
Cape Chibukak/Chibukak Point, St Lawrence Island
63.785, -171.674

http://www.geonames.org/5859130/chibukak-point.html

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #167 on: December 04, 2016, 07:21:08 pm »
Cape Espenberg
66.56, -163.62
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Espenberg

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #168 on: December 04, 2016, 07:45:12 pm »
Bay of Good Hope/Goodhope Bay
66.12, -163.69
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhope_Bay

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #169 on: December 20, 2016, 06:56:03 pm »
Cape Rodney, Alaska
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919263/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol107/26-159A-bear-vol107_185.jpg
http://geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=1399912&fid=usageo_1300

Deering, Alaska
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919263/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol107/26-159A-bear-vol107_187.jpg
http://www.geonames.org/5860502/deering.html

Teller Reindeer Station
https://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/9385-9-1902
appears to be in the vicinity of Reindeer Creek and Brevig Mission
http://explorenorth.com/library/communities/alaska/bl-Brevig.htm
http://www.explorenorth.com/library/communities/alaska/bl-Teller.htm

Cape Kukuliak - https://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/9302-4-1911
probably: Kookoolik Cape - http://www.geonames.org/5866685/kookoolik-cape.html
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919264/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol108/26-159A-bear-vol108_084.jpg

Cape Blossom - http://www.geonames.org/5857671/cape-blossom.html

Kivalena
almost certainly: Kivalina - http://www.geonames.org/5866441/kivalina.html
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919264/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol108/26-159A-bear-vol108_058.jpg

Liebes Cove
http://www.geonames.org/5867342/liebes-cove.html
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696094/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b357/Bear-b357-0184.JPG



Carolyn Island
also written as Caroline on the same day!
http://www.geonames.org/5858734/carolyn-island.html
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696094/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b357/Bear-b357-0193.JPG


I don't know if these two are already listed or not, but they might be helpful
https://www.commerce.alaska.gov/dcra/DCRAExternal/community
http://www.explorenorth.com/alaska/index.html

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #170 on: January 10, 2017, 04:41:51 am »
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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #172 on: February 15, 2017, 10:10:59 pm »
Hi Randi,

This is quite a curious one...

According to the logs, the ship was anchored for the night in the area comprised between the islands of Ukolnoi and Wosnesenski and the main land (Coal Bay, between Seal Cape and Cape Tolstoi), more or less in the middle of that little open sea area (anchorage coordinates more or less 55.280;-161.431 )... They had Cape Tolstoi bearing 334o (to the North-Northwest).
Ship was actually a little outside of the big Pavlof Bay, unless we consider the bay to comprise all the water between Dolgoi Island and Seal Cape on the mainland.

I've not been able to find it mentioned as Pankof Bay anywhere so far... will deepen searches. A typo is always possible (after all "bay" is not appropriate for an open area such as that one). No Pankof Bay at all and Cape Pankof (and corresponding Pankof Breaker) is quite far to the west...

Edit: Added an alias "Pankof Bay" to Pavlof Bay... found no explanation other than a logkeeper mismatch...
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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #173 on: March 02, 2017, 05:11:51 pm »
They list Tolstoi Pt, Pavlof Bay as the noon location. However, I am fairly certain that they are referring to Cape Tolstoi.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23695631/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b355/Bear-b355_0174.JPG

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #174 on: April 03, 2017, 07:22:51 am »
Ykutat Bay - alternate spelling to Yakutat Bay in Albatross rough log 7 Aug 1911
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol047of055/vol047of055_0098_1.jpg

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #175 on: April 26, 2017, 10:06:52 pm »
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23695631/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b355/Bear-b355_0201.JPG

I was tracking down the Rocky Point mentioned on the above log page (http://www.geonames.org/5872893/rocky-point.html)

Looking at https://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/9382(2)-7-1903 and at http://www.geonames.org/5863077/golovnin-bay.html, I wonder if the geonames position for Golovnin Bay is really correct. It doesn't match the labeling in the map it is using either!
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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #176 on: April 26, 2017, 10:46:29 pm »
Hi Randi,

It's not unusual for this to happen on geonames (and the issue reflects itself to mapcarta and many other sites, comprising geographic.org, which receives geonames updates regularly).
US Places (particularly in Alaska) have been badly placed with some kind of batch program by a user named gnis (don't know if it's the real Geographic Names Information System of US Government).
I had notified geonames about this a while ago, and corrected several Alaskan positions (at least those related to Unalga). On their forum i was answered user gnis had issues and had been temporarily blocked from bulk-editing places... but many placenames have still wrong position, up to several km away from their real location.

On geonames you can see user edits by clicking on the fourth icon from the left (similar to a numbered list), on the bottom of the placemark box. I've just corrected Golovnin Bay placement... it was moved about 9km (no hints, unfortunately, on previous position or direction of the move) in 2014.

PS: Both Golovnin Bay and Rocky Point are (with "correct" locations) already in the Alaskan Reference thread.

Edit: And, out of curiosity, i think i just found why gnis misplaced the item on geonames... their record for Golovnin Bay (https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:3:0::NO:3:P3_FID,P3_TITLE:1402762,Golovnin%20Bay) contains a rectangular region delimited by 4 points... the first point is the only one that has been entered in geonames, the northwestern corner... for such a wide area, the outcome is a pretty huge error.
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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #177 on: April 26, 2017, 11:12:35 pm »
This explains some strange things that I thought I was perhaps imagining.  :o ::)

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #178 on: April 26, 2017, 11:28:00 pm »
Edit: And, out of curiosity, i think i just found why gnis misplaced the item on geonames... their record for Golovnin Bay (https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:3:0::NO:3:P3_FID,P3_TITLE:1402762,Golovnin%20Bay) contains a rectangular region delimited by 4 points... the first point is the only one that has been entered in geonames, the northwestern corner... for such a wide area, the outcome is a pretty huge error.
8) 8) 8)

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Re: Alaskan Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #179 on: April 27, 2017, 12:44:31 am »
Edit: And, out of curiosity, i think i just found why gnis misplaced the item on geonames... their record for Golovnin Bay (https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:3:0::NO:3:P3_FID,P3_TITLE:1402762,Golovnin%20Bay) contains a rectangular region delimited by 4 points... the first point is the only one that has been entered in geonames, the northwestern corner... for such a wide area, the outcome is a pretty huge error.
8) 8) 8)

Not as big an error as giving the position of an aircraft carrier battle group. They couldn't even get the ocean correct!   ;D ;D ;D