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Re: Russian Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2017, 08:26:49 pm »
I found a couple of references in the Fairbanks Miner. No help, of course...

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THE ALASKA MINER Tuesday. October 22, 1940 Page 5 Colorful Oldtimer, Who Once Hod Price on Head, Goes on Last Trail NOME, Oct. 16. ? I:a M. Rank. 73, one of Alaska's most colorful gold rushers and traders on whose head Russia's revolutionists once set a price, died. Forced to abandon ship en his last voyage to Barrow, he became ill and was taken off the Teller and flown here where he died from a hemmorhage as the result of an intestinal disorder. Rank came north in 1903, packed over the Chilkoot Pass, bought a merchantile store hare, and owned and operated a trading post at Blubber Bay, Siberia until it was confiscated during the Bolsheviki revolution in 1917 but escaped capture.

I hunted for Ira M. Rank, but found nothing useful.

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« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2017, 09:49:18 pm »
Oh gosh! Wonderful work Mycroft and Sherlock, I mean d0cent and Randi :D

Linguistically b,p,v,m,n can all end up in quite a mix up. Certainly sells the idea to me - Plover, Plubber, Blubber etc  :D

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« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2017, 11:45:50 am »
Thank you everybody! A very nice piece of detective work from all of you!! ;D

Just added Mys Beringa/Cape Bering/Cape Behring and the more elusive Blubber Bay alias (both to Reyd Plover/Plover Bay/Port Providence and Bukhta Providenya/Providence Bay as the two places were apparently pretty interchangeable - Reyd Plover being just the best sheltered anchorage inside the big Providence Bay) to map, ref and csv.
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« Reply #78 on: August 22, 2017, 12:13:02 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #79 on: August 22, 2017, 03:21:48 pm »
Welcome back, Matteo! I hope you had a most enjoyable holiday.

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« Reply #80 on: August 22, 2017, 04:00:41 pm »
Thanks Michael!! Yup... a little too short but very enjoyable and, most important of all, quite fresh (now max temps at home are again around a more humanly sustainable 30-33C).

Nonetheless i still feel a certain homesickness for the Svalbards. This is quite odd, since it's a place i've never visited ;D ;D

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« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2017, 11:57:55 pm »
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/75f2531f-6ab9-40b6-948c-d6bc50b1b622.jpeg?_ga=2.202993555.326104222.1503683846-1449818388.1497958650

from Baylies 1892

June 3

15 miles off Cape Bearing (alternative spelling of Cape Bering/Mys Beringa)
and Cape Eagin (I suspect this is a mis-spelling of Cape Aggen/Mys Achchen, couldn't find anything else and location is sensible)
We are in the mouth of the Gulf of Onida? (This one I have no idea, but should be easy to track down with the other information give)

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« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2017, 12:59:46 am »
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/84532120-6453-466b-a2af-4b17329d998f.jpeg?_ga=2.101936131.326104222.1503683846-1449818388.1497958650

A few days later,

June 9th

10 miles off Cape Akein (?) (couldn't find anything, possibly another misspelling of Achechen, but I doubt the log keeper would spell the same thing this differently a few days apart)

Also, June 10th mentions our old friend Plubber Bay (the following days spelt as Pluber bay)

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« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2017, 01:06:39 am »
I suspect it is this one, Anadyrskiy Zaliv, alternate name Gulf of Anadir, Gulf of Anadyr, ...

The location is 64N 178W. Sadly, for me, Geonames has a fit if the map area crosses 180 longitude. It shows only those places on the west side of 180, not the east side, which makes it difficult to find places near the 180th meridian.

Try this URL and zoom out slowly until the Gulf appears.

You will likely have display problems with that URL, because the display area will cross the 180th and everything goes nuts.

A flat earth would have made life easier.

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« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2017, 07:47:40 am »
Agree with Michael... Onida makes sense for the Gulf of Anadyr.

For Cape Akein i thing is another mispelling of My Achchen (which is a literal transposition of Мыс Аччен... which, in turn, i suspect is a wrong transliteration that entered modern maps, the correct one being Mys Aggen or Мыс Агген)... i've seen logkeepers mispelling the same landmark twice, with different names, in the same logpage.

My impression, in this case, is that logkeeper is asking someone for the placename, and is writing down what he think he has heard... The Gulf of Anadir and Cape Aggen can be seen, named as such, in 1850 maps! Onida, Eagin and Akein could be attempts to write down the sound instead of transcribing it from a map... which complicates thing for us 125 years later ::)

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A flat earth would have made life easier.
;D ;D Agree! Also some printed lines and labels (strictly in English) on its surface would have prevented logkeepers from making a lot of mistakes.  ;D ;D
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Re: Russian Place Names -- Discussion
« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2017, 08:45:22 pm »
Aide memoire to Joan to find this one, Cape Yanzengoff, from Baylies 1887:  June 1st 1887