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Re: Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2014, 06:41:38 pm »
Thanks, Su ;)

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Re: Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2015, 06:47:27 pm »
Pilot Books, with excellent place-names and shore navigation landmarks
from JJ

Mediterranean:
     Mediterranean Pilot Volume I: Strait of Gibraltar, south and southeast coast of Spain, African coast from Cape Spartel to Gulf of Gabes-including the Balearic Islands
     The Mediterranean Pilot Volume II: The coast of France and Italy from Cape Cab?re to Cape Spartivento, together with the Tuscan archipelago, Islands of Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, and the Maltese Islands
     Mediterranean Pilot Volume III: The southeast of Italy, the shores of the Adriatic and Ionian Seas to Cape Matapan
     Mediterranean Pilot Volume IV: From Cape Matapan (Greece) eastward, the Mediterranean archepelago, and the southern shore of the Mediterranean Sea, eastward to Ras Asjdir(Libia)
     The Black Sea pilot: the Dardanelles, Sea of Marmara, Bosporus, and Sea of Azov


I get errors when I try to access these directly, but using a proxy server (e.g., http://www.webproxy.ca/) works :-X
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Re: Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2015, 07:10:27 pm »
Found what may be some useful maps of the Dardanelles at the State Library of New South Wales: http://ww1.sl.nsw.gov.au/explore/all/109

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Re: Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2015, 07:20:02 pm »
Italy


Maps for 1848
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/view/search/when/1848?q=italy&sort=pub_list_no_initialsort%2Cpub_date%2Cpub_list_no%2Cseries_no
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~35753~1200979:Kingdom-of-Sardinia
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~35756~1200982:Italy,-North-Part

The New Sailing Directory for the Strait of Gibralter and the Western Division of the Mediterranean Sea: Comprehending the Coasts of Spain, France, and Italy, from Cape Trafalgar to Cape Spartivento, the Balearic Isles, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily and the Maltese Islands, with the African Coast, from Tangier to Tripoli, Inclusive ... Improved, by Considerable Additions, to the Present Times (Google eBook) - 1840
https://books.google.fr/books?id=UpcNAQAAIAAJ



Hi Matteo - As you can see, I am not too far away. If you happen to get back to 1849 do give me a call ;D


;D Just checked them... even if mediterranean places have not their reference thread, i still keep all the places in the db.
Capraja instead of Capraia is correct, even if the 'j' in these cases is not used anymore (since WW2 more or less).
The only puzzling name seems to be the Gulf of Spezzia with two 'z' and the town of Spetzia. The double z nowadays would be a quite bad grammatical error, should better check if ancient name of La Spezia could comprise an extra z, i think it's unlikely but better be sure...
Venere could only be Porto Venere/Portovenere in that area, even if the placename has included the 'Porto' word since always... maybe the map did read 'P.Venere' and the logkeeper has missed the 'P.' or wasn't sure about its meaning.

Some of those are quite lovely places, by the way ;D



Edit: Just checked... the town of Spezia/La Spezia and the Gulf were always named as such since middle ages.
The tz could be the logkeeper trying to transcribe a word he heard - it's what an English speaking person could write down hearding that placename.
The double z in Gulf name could be a typo, or the same issue as above (the z in that placename is neat, not as in 'zed' and ts/tz/zz is a good approximation).
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Re: Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2015, 10:50:48 pm »
Doro Passage, Greek name 'Kafireas'
See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg113986#msg113986

(Also Doro Channel and Stenon Kafireos (Approved))
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Re: Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2016, 10:49:28 am »
Empress is going from Mudros to Constantinope and reported a sight of San Stefano lighthouse and mooring at San Stefano. San Stefano is now Yesilkou Burnu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye%C5%9Filk%C3%B6y
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/tur4.htm
http://wlol.arlhs.com/lighthouse/TUR55.html

That one is unguessable.