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Joan's list from "East Africa"
I have left out Saudi Arabia and Yemen (and Egypt to Somalia ?) - they will come from Matteo's finished list.

IndiaBombay19 /  72.8   Mumbai
IranAbadan30.3/48.3Abadan Berim zoneAbadan
IranBushire29 /  50.8   Gulf RegionBushehr
IranHabul Island26.1 /  54.8   Probably Irani.
Should be Halul, position 25.67, 52.41
IranHenjam26.7 /  55.9   Hormozgān, Gulf RegionHengam
IranHominy28.4 /  50.6The place should be Khominy, but transcriber read wrong the name Khurmuj, which refers to
Kuh-e Khurmuj, a mountain 65 miles distant from the coast,
in position 28.72, 51.46
IranJashk26.7 /  55.9Gulf Region, Strait of Hormuz, Qeshm Island
IranKais26.6 /  54.0Gulf RegionStrait of Hormuz; Qeshm Island, Kish Island
IranKhomarak25.2 /  59.2BaluchistanKonarak (Chabahar Bay, Gulf of Oman)
IranMohamerrah30.4/48.2Abadan Berim zone,Khorramshar, Al-Muhammarah
IraqAkab34.1/43.9Salahad DinCould be the actual Qaryat al Ahsab, position 34.04, 44.26
IraqAl Gharbi32.5/46.7WasitAli Al Gharbi. Tigris River
IraqAmarah31.7/47.1MaysanAmara
IraqArab Village32.6/46.1Wasit
IraqAziziah32.9/45.1BaghdadAziziyah
IraqBaghdad33.3/44.4BaghdadBaghdad
IraqBasra30.5 /  47.9   Basrah
IraqChahbaish31.0/47.0BasraChibayish, Al Chabaysh
IraqChaldane33.7/44.6BaghdadShould be Al Childayah, position 33.47, 44.30 - 8 miles from Baghdad
IraqCtesiphon33.1/44.6WasitMadain
IraqDiar30.8/47.6BasraAd Dayr
IraqEzra's Tomb31.3/47.4BasraAl Uzair
IraqFao30.4 /  48.5   Al Faw
IraqKaserim33.7/44.4BaghdadKasirin
Should be the actual Al Kasrin, position 33.69, 44.44
IraqKut al Amarah32.5/45.8WasitKut al Amara
IraqMansuriyah33.7/44.4BaghdadAl Mansuriya
IraqMedina31.0/47.2Basra
IraqNasiriyah31.0/46.2DhiquarNasiriyah
IraqQurnah31.0/47.4BasraAl Qurnah
IraqSadia33.9/44.4DiyalaAl Sandiyh
Two place with similar names are near one another:
As Sadiyah (33.82, 44.41) should be Sadiyah, Sadia, Al Sadiyah, Suduah
As Sindiyah (33.88, 44.44) should be Sindiyah, Sindiyeh, Al Sindiyah
IraqSalut Salih31.4/47.4BasraQalat Salih
IraqSamara34.2/43.9Salahad DinSamara
IraqSheikh Saad32.6/46.2WasitShayk Sa'd, Tigris
IraqShi Haiwayah32.7/45.3BaghdadAl Ghuwayshiya
IraqShumran32.5/45.7Wasit
IraqSindiyeh33.8/44.4DiyalaNear Al Mansur
See note for Sadia above
IraqWadi32.6/46.2WasitShould be the actual Wadi al Jabab (32.63, 46.19), but a fork of Tigris between Kut and Amara, is also named Wadi az Zafaraniyah (32.53, 46.48)
The name in log should refer to a "Wadi Camp" that is no more existing
Iraq   Kurnah30.1 / 47.4Al Qurnah
MaldivesMale Island6.3 /  73            
OmanKhor Janama22.6 /  59.6         Khaw al Jaramah
OmanMuscat23.6 /  58.6   
OmanSahb24.2 / 57.0   
OmanSuwaik23.6 /  58.6   As Suwayq, Suwayq
Sri LankaColombo6.9 /  79.8   
Sri LankaDondra Hd Lighthouse5.98 / 80.51E of Sri Lanka
Sri LankaGreat Basses Lighthouse6.20 / 81.50
Sri LankaHambambota Lighthouse6.12 / 81.11Southern ProvinceHambanbota
Sri LankaPoint De Galle Lighthouse6.02 / 80.21










Iraq Basra30.5 /  47.9    Basrah
IndiaBombay19 /  72.8    Mumbai
IranBushire29 /  50.8   Gulf RegionBushehr
Sri LankaColombo6.9 /  79.8   
Iraq Fao30.4 /  48.5    Al Faw
IranHabul Island26.1 /  54.8    Probably Irani.
IranHenjam26.7 /  55.9   Hormozgān, Gulf RegionHengam
IranHominy28.4 /  50.6
IranJashk26.7 /  55.9Gulf Region, Strait of Hormuz, Qeshm Island
IranKais26.6 /  54.0Gulf RegionStrait of Hormuz; Qeshm Island, Kish Island
IranKhomarak25.2 /  59.2BaluchistanKonarak (Chabahar Bay, Gulf of Oman)
OmanKhor Janama22.6 /  59.6          Khaw al Jaramah
Kotunbul Island17.9 / 41.7         
Iraq    Kurnah30.1 / 47.4Al Qurnah
MaldivesMale Island6.3 /  73            
OmanMuscat23.6 /  58.6   
OmanSahb24.2 / 57.0   
OmanSuwaik23.6 /  58.6    As Suwayq, Suwayq










IranAbadan30.3/48.3Abadan Berim zoneAbadan
IraqAmarah31.7/47.1MaysanAmara
IraqQurnah31.0/47.4BasraAl Qurnah
IraqAl Gharbi32.5/46.7WasitAli Al Gharbi. Tigris River
IraqSheikh Saad32.6/46.2WasitShayk Sa'd, Tigris
IraqWadi32.6/46.2Wasit
IranMohamerrah30.4/48.2Abadan Berim zone,Khorramshar, Al-Muhammarah
IraqMedina31.0/47.2Basra
IraqChahbaish31.0/47.0BasraChibayish, Al Chabaysh
IraqDiar30.8/47.6BasraAd Dayr
IraqEzra's Tomb31.3/47.4BasraAl Uzair
IraqNasiriyah31.0/46.2DhiquarNasiriyah
IraqArab Village32.6/46.1Wasit
IraqKut al Amarah32.5/45.8WasitKut al Amara
IraqAziziah32.9/45.1BaghdadAziziyah
IraqSalut Salih31.4/47.4BasraQalat Salih
IraqShi Haiwayah32.7/45.3BaghdadAl Ghuwayshiya
IraqBaghdad33.3/44.4BaghdadBaghdad
IraqShumran32.5/45.7Wasit
IraqCtesiphon33.1/44.6WasitMadain
IraqSindiyeh33.8/44.4DiyalaNear Al Mansur
IraqSamara34.2/43.9Salahad DinSamara
IraqKaserim33.7/44.4BaghdadKasirin
IraqMansuriyah33.7/44.4BaghdadAl Mansuriya
IraqSadia33.9/44.4DiyalaAl Sandiyh
IraqAkab34.1/43.9Salahad Din
IraqChaldane33.7/44.6Baghdad
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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 07:08:05 am »
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-RN1-388.jpg - WW I - Operations near Basra, Mesopotamia

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-RN1-394.jpg - WW I - Lower Mesopotamia to the Head of the Persian Gulf

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-RN3-P01.jpg - WW I - Lower Mesopotamia

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-RN3-P02.JPG - WW I - Operations Against Kurnah (Tigris and Euphrates)

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-RN2-118.JPG - WW I - Suez Canal

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-NavyEverywhere07Bushire.JPG - WW I - Sketch Map of Bushire Island, Persian Gulf

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-NavyEverywhere10Yemen.JPG - WW I - Red Sea Coast of Arabia (and Yemen)

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-NavyinMespotamia01.jpg - WW I - Lower Mesopotamia

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-NavyinMespotamia02.jpg - WW I - Sketch Map of the Tigris North of Kurnah

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-NavyinMespotamia03.jpg - WW I - Sketch Map of the Euphrates; Nasiriyah to Chabaish

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritish-Shipbuilding36Aden.GIF - WW I - Aden

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritish-Shipbuilding35Colombo.GIF - WW I - Colombo (Sri Lanka)

http://www.naval-history.net/Map52IndianOcean.GIF - WW II - Indian Ocean - World War 2 period
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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2013, 05:27:01 pm »
Believe it or not there is a reference to this location in table 1 on page 3 of this publication.  It is also spelled Shiu.

http://www.britishmuseum.org/pdf/stein%20priestman.pdf

Hope this helps.

Spot on. Shiwu (now Bandar-e Shiu) Lat 27.1, Long 53.1. Thank you very much, eternally grateful.
Editors of HMS Juno and Clio note.

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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2014, 08:18:30 am »
"Red Sea and Gulf of Aden Pilot," fourth Edition, 1900, on line: https://archive.org/details/redseaandgulfad00admigoog
from Don Kindell

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And the Persian Gulf Pilot, First Edition, dated 1920: https://archive.org/details/persiangulfpilo00offigoog

I've also compiled all locations mentioned in the Persian Gulf Pilot into a Google Earth .kmz, and have compiled a list of the locations.

Unlike propriome's location maps, I've not made any reference to current locations or attempted to use modern spellings, and sometimes there's quite a few alternative spellings given for a location! Also note that the location density is much higher, and there's a good chance a lot of these locations have never been mentioned by any OW ship - but hey, it was fun to make :)

The symbols broadly follow propriome's maps, although the term "Khur" is a difficult one, as it can mean a variety of things including anchorage, river delta, lagoon, or passage (sometimes several at once!), meaning it can be two or three different symbols depending on your interpretation.

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And the Persian Gulf Pilot, First Edition, dated 1920: https://archive.org/details/persiangulfpilo00offigoog

I've also compiled all locations mentioned in the Persian Gulf Pilot into a Google Earth .kmz, and have compiled a list of the locations.

Unlike propriome's location maps, I've not made any reference to current locations or attempted to use modern spellings, and sometimes there's quite a few alternative spellings given for a location! Also note that the location density is much higher, and there's a good chance a lot of these locations have never been mentioned by any OW ship - but hey, it was fun to make :)

The symbols broadly follow propriome's maps, although the term "Khur" is a difficult one, as it can mean a variety of things including anchorage, river delta, lagoon, or passage (sometimes several at once!), meaning it can be two or three different symbols depending on your interpretation.

Wow, that is a remarkable piece of work Danny. It would have saved me hours, if I had had it a few years ago. Well done, and thank you. K

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I'm certainly thinking that a few more USN-relevant books might be useful to go through - I whacked this one up whilst editing some RN logs, due to precisely the problems you mention!
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 09:49:08 am by Danny252 »

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Quote from: Science News - June 2015
Eruptions create new islands in the Red Sea


Note that the map has been rotated!

Update your maps: Two new islands have popped up in the strip of ocean between Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

Witnessing the birth of a volcanic island is incredibly rare, but thanks to satellite images, researchers from the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology in Thuwal, Saudi Arabia, retraced the formation of two islands in the Red Sea.

The new islands, called Sholan and Jadid, formed where two tectonic plates pull apart at a rate of about 6 millimeters a year. Magma burst through cracks in Earth?s crust during weeks-long eruptions, piling up rock and creating the new isles, one in 2011?2012 and the other in 2013. The larger island, Jadid, is about one-fifth the size of New York?s Central Park, the researchers report online May 26 in Nature Communications. Anyone wanting to take advantage of the new seaside real estate should act fast: Erosion has already shrunk Sholan Island by about 30 percent.


Zubair Archipelago


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Wow!  That is impressive! One day you sail across a bit of ocean - the next day, coming back, there's a socking great island in the way...  :D

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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2015, 12:02:38 pm »
And the Persian Gulf Pilot, First Edition, dated 1920: https://archive.org/details/persiangulfpilo00offigoog

I've also compiled all locations mentioned in the Persian Gulf Pilot into a Google Earth .kmz, and have compiled a list of the locations.

Unlike propriome's location maps, I've not made any reference to current locations or attempted to use modern spellings, and sometimes there's quite a few alternative spellings given for a location! Also note that the location density is much higher, and there's a good chance a lot of these locations have never been mentioned by any OW ship - but hey, it was fun to make :)

The symbols broadly follow propriome's maps, although the term "Khur" is a difficult one, as it can mean a variety of things including anchorage, river delta, lagoon, or passage (sometimes several at once!), meaning it can be two or three different symbols depending on your interpretation.

Hi.

I downloaded the gogle earth link onto my old computer. Just tried to do the same onto my new one and the link appears broken. Is it possible for the moderators to check what has happened. Sorry if it is my incompetence.

Thanks

Keith

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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2015, 12:35:51 pm »
If you are talking about the message "404 - Attachment Not Found",
I believe that is a problem with the forum and it is being worked on.

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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 04:54:35 pm »
That's the one Randi, sorry, I hadnt seen the thread about the problems with the forum when I posted this, so assumed it was just these links or me!!!

All the best.

K

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Re: Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf, and Western Indian Ocean Place Names
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2016, 08:25:16 pm »
Detailed Red Sea maps published in 1916: http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/cdm/ref/collection/agdm/id/2826

Surveyed 1830-34 with corrections up to 1911.
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Sheets 4 and 5 stamped: "Loaned by the American Geographical Society to the Peace Conference at Versailles, 1918-1919."
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