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camiller

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 04:53:23 pm »
Making that extra box for me is easier than all the dittos!  So glad I don't have to go back and edit; thanks!


Perfect.

2 good ways to do that one, I think.  Exactly what you did, including that long line drawn is one.  Treating the vertical orientation and following line as dittos (which the long line is) is the other, putting "Frozen" in the first box and " in all following.  Depends on how much making the extra box irritates you.  :)

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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 03:21:37 am »
From the Jamestown:
How do I enter pressure data logged as degrees/minutes?
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/525b52eaab21ee7a69008fea/edit

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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 03:40:37 am »
Give me a bit to look at this, pressure and degrees and/or minutes shouldn't be in the same sentence.


They really did that!!  This is a first.  My guess is this fits into "Type what you see... BUT..." because we can't type degree signs in any case and skip them entirely for both temps and lat/long.  I strongly suspect you did right to write it as the decimal it is meant to be, and I am most definitely PMing Philip and Kevin to get a more authoritative answer.

Thanks for asking.  For now, go on correcting the degree sign you can't type in anyway.  I'll let you know their answer.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_127_0.jpg
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 06:03:53 am by Janet Jaguar »

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 07:24:57 am »
They have been doing that off and on. I have been doing 30 07 (unless they include the decimal point), but I think 3007 and 30.07 are equally valid.

I have seen all three of these formats used in log books.

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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2013, 03:13:30 pm »
Thanks, Janet and Randi.
 
This was a tough TWYS decision for me because I couldn't type 'degrees', but could type 'minutes.'  I pondered several hybrid entries and finally decided to ask for expert advice! As you can see, in the meantime, I went with decimal entries.

The first few pressure observations they made after the arrival of the barometer were also recorded as degrees/minutes; once I saw that they 'corrected' themselves, I kept on transcribing.  I await the scientific crew's advice for any edits.



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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2013, 05:17:50 pm »
And here is Philip's answer.  :)

I was a bit alarmed by the talk of 'correcting them' because of course we don't want to change the numbers. But if I read the discussion correctly this isn't happening, it's a question of changing 30d02m into '30 02', '30.02' or '3002'. Any of these are fine (the first is the best, but it doesn't matter).

Thanks, Philip


Jamestown 1844 - Carolyn wants to know if she should go on correcting them to the decimals they are supposed to be.

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3944.msg75494#msg75494
I attached a screen cap of one of the questionable lines.

Thanks,
Janet

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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2013, 05:26:01 pm »
Good to have official confirmation ;)

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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2013, 05:30:30 pm »
Yes, and no editing required  :)  Thanks, all!

To clarify, though, Philip's "best" refers to '30 02', correct?


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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2013, 05:34:33 pm »
That is how I read it.
(The phrasing is a bit unclear ;))

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2013, 07:47:51 pm »
Hello, I'm new to this project and I hope that I haven't jumped in too quickly :).  I thought I would get some feedback before I go any further (especially with the location).  Also, I understand that one day is covered on two pages. One page does not include the date.  Should I be able to find the date somewhere or is it ok to not include a date when transcribing a page? 

http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/525b68a6ab21ee7a6900a7f0/edit

Thanks!!
Melissa

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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 07:59:34 pm »
I will look in detail, but to answer your question:
If there is no date on a page, do not enter a date. The date will (in this case) be on the second page. The scientists will not have a problem linking the date to this page.

If you have not already, take a look at Albatross -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description

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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 08:05:45 pm »
Melissa, read this intro I wrote to another beginner.  It explains about the book layout, etc, which makes more sense of some of our rules.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3944.msg73692#msg73692

This is also helpful:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0

I have to go out shortly, but Randi is checking your transcriptions and I'll be back the evening (US time) to answer any other questions.

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 08:27:16 pm »
It looks very good!

The only thing missing is the position at noon:
58 31 00 N
158 35 00 W
under Location | Observed
Please be sure to include that whenever it is given!


I would include the entire phrase "At anchor Nushagak River and At Sea" as a single 'Place Name', but splitting it up into two entries is fine.

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Course and distance made good since preceding noon by observation, 16 knots 5 tenths By log 20 knots 4 tenths
and
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coal consumed during the preceding 24 hours, 4 tons 60lbs  coal remaining on hand at Noon, 102 tons 1650 lbs
Including these as Events is fine, but they are optional. I personally would not include them, but I'm sure some transcribers would.



If you want to look ahead, see How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on (but DON'T copy the date back! ;)).

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 09:14:39 pm »
Thanks for your time, it is very much appreciated.  :)

Melissa

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 09:25:29 pm »
YOUR transcribing is very much appreciated! ;)

Randi