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« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2013, 01:39:11 pm »

Here's pressure data logged with both decimal and degrees!  So glad we got  the transcribing procedure for this  straightened out earlier!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_128_1.jpg


From the Jamestown:
How do I enter pressure data logged as degrees/minutes?
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/525b52eaab21ee7a69008fea/edit

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« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2013, 01:53:58 pm »
Since there is a decimal point in this case, I would lean towards 30.07, but 30 07 would not be wrong. ::)

That's why Jamestown 1844 is one of the "hard" ships ;)

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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2013, 02:19:13 pm »
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_129_0.jpg

The page from the next day has lots more examples of what makes the Jamestown funhard:

hybrid barometer entries; nautical days (time not marked for first entry); weather observation in remarks form; similar 3's and 8's (again, see first entry; so glad that first digit of pressure will never be an 8!), oh, and throw in a mistake in the log ("midnight to 4 PM"). And that's just concerning the weather!

Thank goodness they're using ink now and that the handwriting is relatively legible, once you get used to it  ;)

The last entry is what makes it very rewarding: a description of the tribute to the memory of Andrew Jackson, who had died more than 2 months earlier.

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« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2013, 06:25:56 pm »
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/52754291ab21ee276101ca92/edit

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Commodore%20perry//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/COMMODORE%20PERRY//vol169/vol169_054_0.jpg

For AM, "Barometer", "Dry" and "Water" seem to be in the wrong column. Was it right to correct this? At first I thought, "Type what you see", but that would mean loosing the barometer data.

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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2013, 06:28:35 pm »
I'll have a look at it.



You have handled it exactly right!
See Type What You See - Yes, but ... Exceptions

We need to be very careful about violating the "Type what you see" rule, but rescuing pressure and temperature data is a valid reason - provided the mistake is clear - as it is here.



You might find How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on helpful in cases like this.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2013, 06:45:40 pm by Randi »

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Re: Ask for expert advice
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2013, 07:55:55 pm »
OK, thank you! :)

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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2013, 09:36:10 pm »
I've just completed transcribing my 1st few pages (3 weather and 1 events).  I thought I should get some feedback and ask some questions before going further.

1.  I had trouble deciding how to enter the Noon Location.  Since 'observations' was only crossed out on the Latitude line, I entered the latitude and bearing distance data in Location box1 as Place Name and longitude in Location box2 as Observed. 
Should I have entered this differently?

Location box1:
Loc Type: Place Name  Lat: N 35 29  Long: --        Name: Cross Bearing distance  N. 35o29'  Piedras Blancos Lt.  NxW1/2W.  dist 12 miles.

Location box2:
Loc Type: Observed    Lat: --       Long: W 121 16  Name: --

2.  I had a problem with the 2 entry boxes that I created for the location data above since they overlapped.  I originally had the 1st box to the left of the 2nd box.  But then I couldn't click on the pencil to edit the 2nd box.  It would disappear as I moved the cursor closer to it.  I ended up having to shift the 1st box over to the right so it didn't overlap the pencil for the 2nd box.
Is there a way to edit an entry box besides clicking on its pencil? 

3. There was no apparent space between the barometer numbers so I entered them as 3010 for example.
Is that OK?

4. I entered the location from the top of the page as a Place Name instead of a Port Name:  Navy Yard, Mare Island, Cal
Is that correct?

5. I debated on how to enter the 12th hour for weather readings.  Based on TWYS I entered them as Noon. and Mid.
Should I enter the 12th Hour as Noon. and Mid. or 12 and 12?

6. I didn't encounter this in my pages but if a particular weather hour is empty should I enter the hour and nothing else or omit that hour completely?

Here are links to my pages:
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/5285211bd168cc2d1100606c/edit
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/52831780d168cc5173009195/edit
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/5283221bd168cc2d11000094/edit
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/52805ebcd168cc4669004e8f/edit

Thanks in advance for reviewing my pages!
Karen

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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2013, 09:40:21 pm »
Hi Karen, I'll have a look.

I just looked at http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/5285211bd168cc2d1100606c/edit
Excellent job on the weather data! You have transcribed the pressure correctly ;)

The noon location is a bit trickier. We were all confused at first. Philip has explained that a position based on bearings (or any other form of measurement) is still observed (rather than dead reckoning). Presumably they crossed out "observations of sun" because it was by bearings.
I would record the noon position as:
Observed      Latitude N 35 29      Longitude W 121 16
If you wanted to, you could also include Piedras Blancos Lt as:
Place Name      Name Piedras Blancos Lt NxW 1/2 W dist 12 miles

On to the next page ;)
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 10:21:41 pm by Randi »

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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2013, 10:37:12 pm »
Randi,

Thanks for your feedback so far.  I won't make any changes until you are done reviewing my pages.

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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2013, 11:01:03 pm »
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/52831780d168cc5173009195/edit
and
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/5283221bd168cc2d11000094/edit

Since they are at the Navy Yard, I would use Port Name rather than Place Name. The distinction can be a bit tricky at times ;). The main thing to keep in mind is that bearings and other information can be included with Place Name, but with Port Name it should only be the name.



http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/52805ebcd168cc4669004e8f/edit
Perfect ;D



Regarding your questions:

1.  I think this was covered above. If it is not clear, let me know.

2.  Is there a way to edit an entry box besides clicking on its pencil?
I'm afraid not. The way you have done it is fine, but you could also make the boxes smaller so that there is less overlap if you want to.

3. Exactly right

4. Above ;)

5. 12 and 12 would not be incorrect, but since the log has noon and mid, that is what I would use.

6. If there is no data, please omit that hour completely.




OK - let us know if you have any other questions or if one of my answers is not clear. ;D

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2013, 11:24:10 pm »
Randi,

4.  To clarify, when I change it to Port Name should I leave it as Navy Yard, Mare Island, Cal or should I change it to Mare Island, Cal?

Another question:
7.  If I ever decide to transcribe the entire Events page into one Events box, should I also create separate Mentions entry boxes for specific people or ships that appear on that page?  Or is this duplication and having it buried inside the Events box enough?

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Re: Ask for expert advice
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2013, 11:50:28 pm »
Randi,

4.  To clarify, when I change it to Port Name should I leave it as Navy Yard, Mare Island, Cal or should I change it to Mare Island, Cal?

Another question:
7.  If I ever decide to transcribe the entire Events page into one Events box, should I also create separate Mentions entry boxes for specific people or ships that appear on that page?  Or is this duplication and having it buried inside the Events box enough?

4. Leave it as Navy Yard, Mare Island, Cal. "Navy Yard" is part of the location. (I had one that was "berth Baker 5, Leyte Gulf, Philippine Islands", and I asked Philip about it. He said to include the whole thing.)

7. Please include Locations, Animals, Refueling, Mentions (people or ships), and Sea Ice on the appropriate tab even if they have been transcribed as an event. You don't need to enter a place, person or ship more than once per page - unless you want to.
On the Mentions, please enter only one person (or ship) per entry. ("Caro and Janet returned aboard drunk" would be transcribed as:
Person    Name Caro     Context returned aboard drunk - and -
Person    Name Janet     Context returned aboard drunk ;D)




I hope you enjoy transcribing - and our forum family!
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 11:54:17 pm by Randi »

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2013, 12:03:51 am »
What Randi said.

"Port Name" is name only, same as in the address on an envelope - however many commas separate words.  "Place name" is any and all other descriptions.

If you decide you are interested in doing a whole comment page, I find it easier to make a box for each watch or paragraph.  That way if I click a wrong key and mess up saving it, I don't lose a whole page.

And welcome!!!  :)

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2013, 12:35:13 am »
Randi and Janet,

Thanks for reviewing my pages and the feedback.  The address concept for Port Name makes a lot of sense.  I'm ready to do corrections and move on to new pages.

I noticed that after being assigned a new page to transcribe, if I close out my browser and come back in then I am assigned a different Albatross page to transcribe.  What happens to the other page that I never started?  Is it assigned to someone else or is it out there somewhere still assigned to me?  Also, if I start to transcribe a page and then exit my browser without clicking I'm Finished, do I lose my entries and is the page reassigned to someone else?

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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2013, 12:56:42 am »
Randi and Janet,

Thanks for reviewing my pages and the feedback.  The address concept for Port Name makes a lot of sense.  I'm ready to do corrections and move on to new pages.

I noticed that after being assigned a new page to transcribe, if I close out my browser and come back in then I am assigned a different Albatross page to transcribe.  What happens to the other page that I never started?  Is it assigned to someone else or is it out there somewhere still assigned to me? 
They are never assigned to anyone, just handed out first come, first serve.  When you are ready to take a break, the last page up gets returned to the waiting pile.

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Also, if I start to transcribe a page and then exit my browser without clicking I'm Finished, do I lose my entries and is the page reassigned to someone else?
Once you click "finish", that page with those transcriptions is always yours, and you are the only one who can edit/add to it.  If you close it without clicking "finish", it is lost.
Please note:  "Finishing" a half-done page is completely acceptable, if you open it first and finish on the edit when you come back.  "Guide to EDITING FINISHED PAGES" is part of Guides for US logs