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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #825 on: August 05, 2017, 02:59:37 pm »
This is something that's gone through my mind a lot - what a vast upheaval it must be to change rigging systems - or gradually put steam into a ship, and then change from a little donkey boiler to something bigger.  And after that you've lost a section of your storage space.  :-\

I do wonder if the sails were really awfully useful once an engine was in the ship.  There is increasingly less mention of sails being set as the Albatross log books progress through the years.  Maybe it is just not being recorded as much - but even this would be an indication that this form of sailing was less important to the vessel than it was.

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #826 on: August 05, 2017, 03:33:53 pm »
Perhaps when the coal supply (fresh water supply and/or engine) was (were) unreliable it was useful to have a backup - especially if you couldn't radio for help or no one was close enough to help :-\
As supplies and engines became more reliable they might make less use of the sails - as Hurlock noted.

I remember Bear running on both in 1914.

If I understand correctly, changing from brigantine to schooner would change only the foremast and would reduce the number of men required to manage the sails.

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #827 on: August 05, 2017, 07:10:35 pm »
Schooners don;t have yards so they must have been easier in some ways - just not having to get those heavy yard sails dealt with aloft all the time...



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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #828 on: August 06, 2017, 01:26:53 am »
According to Wikipaedia
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She was regarded as unseaworthy since her return from her last expedition which is why she has only been used for local surveys in San Francisco Bay.

Its not surprising she was unseaworthy as I seem to remember every day at sea was 'Full Speed' no matter what the weather.
Worst part to me seems be that she never seemed to have any reason for full speed (well that was recorded in the logs).

Use of sails saves coal and there for the tax payers money. Does that seem right?  ;)

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #829 on: August 06, 2017, 02:16:24 pm »
Perhaps some things are just hard to let go...

http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1338.htm

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #830 on: August 06, 2017, 02:29:16 pm »
So it would seem...

Great find!

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #831 on: August 10, 2017, 07:08:21 am »
June 25th 1913,
Looks like we may get something fixed soon. 3 quotes asked for.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol050of055/vol050of055_0217_1.jpg

10th July 1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol051of055/vol051of055_0015_1.jpg
Bids for repairs to the Albatross were opened on board at 10 am and, after eliminating certain items, were found to stand as follows:  United Eng. Wks - 34,274.00  Navy Yard - 38,882.00  Moore & Scott - 40,213.40  Union Iron Wks - 41,283.00.

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #832 on: August 10, 2017, 07:13:53 am »
June 2 1913 Sausalito
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol050of055/vol050of055_0194_1.jpg
At 2.45 p.m. put fire & rescue party ashore in answer to alarm in town.

At 7.10 pm. sent fire & rescue party ashore in answer to town fire alarm.

June 11 1913 Sausalito
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol050of055/vol050of055_0203_1.jpg
At 3.40 pm sent fire and rescue party ashore in answer to town fire alarm.  Party returned at 4.30 pm having assisted in extinguishing a brush fire.

July 10th 1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol051of055/vol051of055_0015_1.jpg

Send Motorboat to U.S.S. Iroquois at 12.40 am to assist towing boats for Fireparty.

At 3.05 pm Sent A party of 26 men ashore to cooperate with the Army & assist them in fighting forest fires on Mount Talmalpais.  Surgeon J.C.Thompson U.S.N. proceeded later.

There are reports of several thousand people fighting these fires in the local newspapers.

July 11th 1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol051of055/vol051of055_0016_1.jpg
At 9.20 a.m. sent a party of six men to report to Comd'g Officer at Fort Baker to help extinguish a small grass fire, party returned at 11.00 am.

At 9.30 am sent Schramm, Benson, McPherson and Emsley with provisions to report to C.B.M.Hahms and remain with party until fire is extinguished.

At 2.50 p.m. Haase came on board for shelter canvas returning again to fire party.
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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #833 on: August 16, 2017, 11:31:41 pm »
August 1913 major overhaul.

I wish we had the work ethic today of the repair crews back in 1913.   ;) (Also, no work on Sunday  ;D )
I do not know how many were employed but the daily work list is very extensive.
(Sad that they don't not know all the hard work will be in vain)  :(
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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #835 on: August 20, 2017, 08:07:21 pm »
Forward thinking!  ;)

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #836 on: August 20, 2017, 09:29:56 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D

Have you asked them if they will check transcriptions?

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #837 on: August 21, 2017, 10:27:04 am »
First (part) typed page that I can remember.   :)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol051of055/vol051of055_0100_0.jpg

Wrote to soon. Next pages back to normal.   >:(
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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #838 on: August 21, 2017, 01:19:42 pm »
Looks like he was trying to stretch his copying task to take up the entire watch.  ;)

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Re: Albatross (1900) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
« Reply #839 on: August 21, 2017, 02:58:31 pm »
Magnificent handwriting!
However, you're right, it probably would have taken a lot of time.