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Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« on: October 01, 2015, 06:40:03 pm »
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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2015, 08:27:31 pm »
Not sure if this is the same as the pancake ice, but on board the Beluga they've mentioned being fast to a 'cake of ice'.

http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofbelugast00unse_0031.jpg

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2015, 08:30:16 pm »
Thanks!

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2015, 09:06:43 pm »
Not sure if this is the same as the pancake ice, but on board the Beluga they've mentioned being fast to a 'cake of ice'.

http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofbelugast00unse_0031.jpg

Can't be pancake ice:

PANCAKE  ICE:  Predominantly  circular  pieces  of ice  from  1  to  10 ft.  (30 cm to 3  m)  in diameter  and up to about 4 in (10  cm) in  thickness,  with  raised rims due  to the  pieces striking  against  one  another.  It may  be formed  on  a slight swell  from  grease  ice, shuga, or slush,  or as  a result of the  breaking  of ice  rind,  nilas,  or,  under severe  conditions  of swell or waves,  of gray  ice.  Sometimes  pancake  ice  forms  at some  depth,  at an  interface between  water bodies of different physical  characteristics,  from where it floats to the surface; it may  cover  wide  areas  of water  rapidly.   

"Fast to a a cake of ice till 8PM" means a big enough piece to act like a wharf.  I'll have to ask Kevin.
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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2015, 05:42:39 am »
Reply from Kevin:

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In this context it's a random piece of big enough to tie up to. If I was at home I'd send a picture.
image = The HMS Plover and HMS Herald near Wainright Inlet. Image courtesy of the Linda Hall Library of Science, Engineering and Technology. http://www.lindahall.org/


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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 03:34:49 am »
Fascinating read! FYI- packed ice and pancake ice have the same picture in your field guide.

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 04:37:46 am »
Thanks, Zovacor, I noticed that during the earlier conversation and fixed it.  Sorry for the error.

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2015, 06:31:18 pm »
scatering Ice
(Our log keeper's spelling leaves something to be desired, but this spelling seems to be fairly consistent.)



Horatio 1896

http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofhoratio00hora_0023.jpg
May 15: working ship out to South through scatering Ice from one hole to another


e.g., http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofhoratio00hora_0022.jpg
May 12: among scatering Ice got four Seal
May 13: ship laying aback in scatering Ice
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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2015, 07:23:00 pm »
Perhaps this is scattering in a slightly different context - but here goes:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zU32BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=types+of+sea+ice+scattering+ice&source=bl&ots=rRHO-1NaqF&sig=ju2Mg8YDqthNbQCYAYPkI3BcoA8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUhuynoafJAhVIWRoKHTMZBGI4ChDoAQgjMAE#v=onepage&q=types%20of%20sea%20ice%20scattering%20ice&f=false

From the The Geophysics of Sea Ice  edited by Norbert Untersteine
It looks to be very interesting - but quite technical  :)

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2015, 10:02:54 pm »
Strips of Ice



Horatio 1896

http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofhoratio00hora_0023.jpg
May 17: ship on diferent tacks among strips of Ice

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2015, 10:57:35 pm »
Progress 1881

is finding scattering ice too:

http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofprogres00unse_0143.jpg
12th June 1881: ...saw 2 small pieces of scattering ice...

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2015, 03:53:34 am »
Perhaps this is scattering in a slightly different context - but here goes:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zU32BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=types+of+sea+ice+scattering+ice&source=bl&ots=rRHO-1NaqF&sig=ju2Mg8YDqthNbQCYAYPkI3BcoA8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUhuynoafJAhVIWRoKHTMZBGI4ChDoAQgjMAE#v=onepage&q=types%20of%20sea%20ice%20scattering%20ice&f=false

From the The Geophysics of Sea Ice  edited by Norbert Untersteine
It looks to be very interesting - but quite technical  :)

This is a fairly recent scientific advance, being less than a century old, but it's pretty fascinating stuff.

I'm wondering if all this talk of scattering ice isn't a reference to either small clusters of drift ice that didn't seem significant enough to warrant the pack ice label, or perhaps pancake ice, or some form of rotten ice (e.g. large candle ice fragments that survived long enough to float out to sea). Grease ice could also be a possibility, but I'd put that at the bottom of the likelihood scale.

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Re: Report new sea ice terms for whalers
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2015, 04:13:33 am »
I put these 2 references I googled in Talk on this subject - they use/define "scattered" rather than "scattering" but they seem to agree with you.

https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/182/13590/?comment=37623
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I googled several 20th-century uses of "scattered ice" similar enough to Horatio to convince me that "scater" is a mis-spelling.

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