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Jerry Mason

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U-boat Weather Reporting
« on: October 26, 2016, 10:56:02 pm »
I recently made a presentation on U-boat Weather reporting to the local Ham Radio Association.  You can download the presentation here: uboatarchive.net/Presentations/Presentations.htm  The presentation covers U-boat weather equipment, automatic weather stations on sea and land and manned weather stations.  The presentation had a  video embedded.  I kept is separate for downloading because it is a big file.  Regards, Jerry

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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 10:17:30 pm »
I recently made a presentation on U-boat Weather reporting to the local Ham Radio Association.  You can download the presentation here: uboatarchive.net/Presentations/Presentations.htm  The presentation covers U-boat weather equipment, automatic weather stations on sea and land and manned weather stations.  The presentation had a  video embedded.  I kept is separate for downloading because it is a big file.  Regards, Jerry

Hi Jerry, welcome to Old Weather!
That's an amazing subject to present on. I went through both powerpoints and the video. They are breathtaking - quite astonishing.
I, for one, never thought about u-boats being  that involved in weather records. I noticed that there's an ice report included as well. Our scientists pop by the forum very often, but I will drop them a note to highlight your entry.
Thinking about it, it makes perfect sense to have good weather reports on the routes taken by the allied vessels.
But even so I was surprised by the whole station set-ups and the time they spent there.  (By the way viewers the sauna scene is probably not suitable for children at minute 13 to 13:25.) The video showing them set up the station made it look relatively easy, but the snowstorm scenes told a different tale.
The technical details were amazing.
Thank you very very much for getting  in touch. Will you be doing some work on OW as well please Jerry?
With best wishes,
Joan (AvastMH)

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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 11:14:11 pm »
Hi Joan, I am glad you enjoyed the presentation.  U-boats were part of the solution to the big disadvantage German Armed Forces found themselves in after they lost access to weather reports from neutral Denmark and Norway in April 1940.  Most of my work these days is the translation of the war diaries of U-boats.  For example, here is the war diary of U-307 for the patrol on which the Haudegen weather station (discussed in the presentation) was established: uboatarchive.net/U-307/KTB307-9.htm I just finished the war diary of U-537 for the patrol on which the boat deployed  automatic weather station "Kurt" in Labrador (discussed in the presentation): uboatarchive.net/U-537/KTB537-1.htm (see page 16).  This work takes up my time so I can't work directly on Old Weather but I am always happy to answer any questions that involve U-boats.

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2016, 03:06:47 am »
I, too, just went through the presentation. Excellent. I loved the video! As a former surface and upper air observer and meteorologist I very much enjoyed looking at the various pieces of equipment.

Thank you!

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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2016, 04:37:24 am »
Wow, that video is fascinating.  :o 8)

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2016, 11:02:02 pm »
Hi Joan, I am glad you enjoyed the presentation.  U-boats were part of the solution to the big disadvantage German Armed Forces found themselves in after they lost access to weather reports from neutral Denmark and Norway in April 1940.  Most of my work these days is the translation of the war diaries of U-boats.  For example, here is the war diary of U-307 for the patrol on which the Haudegen weather station (discussed in the presentation) was established: uboatarchive.net/U-307/KTB307-9.htm I just finished the war diary of U-537 for the patrol on which the boat deployed  automatic weather station "Kurt" in Labrador (discussed in the presentation): uboatarchive.net/U-537/KTB537-1.htm (see page 16).  This work takes up my time so I can't work directly on Old Weather but I am always happy to answer any questions that involve U-boats.

I can see that this project takes up your time Jerry. It is a tour de force for sure. :)
I looked through a lot of the website. I was particularly attracted to the series of letters at this section: http://uboatarchive.net/U-505A/U-505ChatelainReport.htm with the story of the capture of U-505 slowly being extracted in altercating letters. The photos here http://uboatarchive.net/U-505A/U-505Photographs.htm were utterly fascinating.
This memo was a cracker - the final message humorous but vital (in both parts  ;D) http://uboatarchive.net/U-505A/U-505GalleryMemo.htm

The details weather reports are absorbing. And I can see that you've had poor images to cope with just as we do at times. Having your transcription is a treat for us :)

I'll put an extra note out in our Editing Room because I'm sure they'll be very interested. We edit the events for each log (weather and events that is) and because 'Type What You See' is not so all-encompassing as it is on the main weather section of OW, they have an interest in the history of ships that should make your work very attractive.

Do have a look around the Editing Room : http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=16.0 If you cannot access it let me know - I think that there may be an extra bit of logging in required there (sorry to be hazy on this one). Their considerable work appears here: http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-LogBooksWW1.htm including the reports from ships involved in conflicts like the Battles of Jutland, and of the Falkland Islands. :)

Best wishes for all your work with the U-boats. I hope we'll hear back from the scientists with reference to their weather reports.
Joan



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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2016, 02:50:05 pm »
Not to belabor the topic of U-boats but weather reporting took its toll on both sides during WWII.  The US Coast Guard maintained weather reporting ships in the North Atlantic.  Not surprisingly, one of these, the USS USS MUSKEGET  (WAG 48), was lost with all hands when it was torpedoed by U-755 on 9 September 1942.  The MUSKETET's weather reporting station was only 20 nm from a U-boat patrol line occupied by 8 boats.  You can read U-755's war diary here uboatarchive.net/U-755/KTB755-1.htm (see page 19).  You can read about the US Coast Guard Weather Patrol here uscg.mil/history/articles/USCGatWar-WeatherPatrol.pdf In 2015 NOAA posthumously award the Purple Heart medal to four civilian
U.S. Weather Bureau Observers lost on the MUSKETET nws.noaa.gov/om/coop/newsletters/15coop-fall.pdf

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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2016, 06:21:25 pm »
Hi Jerry,
Well I guess that some of those US ships will be appearing (or perhaps have already appeared)  here.  Has anyone ever pulled together those German weather reports please?

Looks like fog was a bit of a problem:     30.08.43   Before God one cannot see 100 meters.  Wind and sea slowly but steadily abate.  :o
Found the Muskeget story on 9 Sept 42

The Coast Guard report will take some digesting. But I was attracted to the picture of the medical operation where the German and US doctors worked together. And the purple heart event was remarkable after so many years, very pleasing to know how valuable their skills were to the allied shipping. :D




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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 09:22:40 pm »
There is another posting on this site German Weather Buoy which has a number of posts dealing with German weather operations and books on the subject.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 09:23:50 pm »
Oh! Thanks for checking through it James. It all sounds very absorbing to me :D

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Re: U-boat Weather Reporting
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2016, 12:20:53 am »
glad to be of help. I think the books "War North of 80" on the last German weather station in the artic and "Wekusta" on the Luftwaffe weather units should be of interest to you.