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Research challenge
« on: March 18, 2017, 02:25:20 pm »
https://www.loc.gov/item/2013646192/

The link above is to a high-quality albumen print from a glass plate taken on the USS Kearsarge, shortly after the battle with CSS Alabama. The print itself was made in the 1880s, and the names of the officers are written on the verso.

Who is the African-American(?) officer in the back row, third from right? What is his story?

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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 03:01:57 pm »
I read the name on the back as: Charles H Danforth, Acting Master's Mate
Of course, given the neat writing, that is not a great challenge.
He is from Massachusetts.
1831-1902

Many mentions and duplications, but mot much information...

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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2017, 05:52:06 pm »
According to https://books.google.com/books?id=GpVzCQAAQBAJ&dq=franklin+A+Graham+Gunner+USS+Kearsarge&q=smith+misidentified+graham#v=snippet&q=smith%20misidentified%20graham&f=false, another person in the photo was misidentified.

And, on page 143 is a second picture of Danforth - doesn't look the same to me :-\
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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2017, 06:12:29 pm »
The Encyclopedia of African American Military History says 15 black crewmen, but doesn't give names.
also
African Americans in the Military mentions Robert Sweeney.



Found this some time ago http://www.blackpast.org/perspectives/eleven-years-u-s-navy-strange-saga-robert-shorter while working on Jamestown.
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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2017, 06:28:18 pm »
Freedom's Journey: African American Voices of the Civil War
Says "blacks would never rise very high in the ranks or become officers" and "Unlike the army, the navy did not record enlistments by race".
It also includes excerpts from the diary of a black sailor, Charles Fisher, on the USS Kearsarge.
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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2017, 07:57:47 pm »
At n=1 for the moment, the muster roll of the USS Mississippi does show both race (under physical description) and by noting 'contrabands' which can be no other than escaped slaves. And this is all why that picture struck me as curious...

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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 09:30:38 pm »
All I can say is that none of the sources about African Americans and the USS Kearsarge that I looked at mention an African American officer :-\

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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 09:48:15 pm »
What intrigues me is the numbers 1,2,3 & 4 next to some names in that back row.

You could say that they run, from left to right:
1. Wm Smith
2. Sidney Smith
3. Franklin A Graham
4. Chas Danforth
Ezra Bartlett (5)
Daniel Sargent (6)
Wm Bradlaw (7)
Henry McConnell ( 8 )
Fred Miller (9)

And it would then look like this:


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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2017, 09:56:29 pm »
Do the cap badges represent anything in particular please?  Might that narrow things down?  :-\

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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 10:42:49 pm »
There is a comment indicating that there was at least one person of colour on board the Kearsarge.  P53: https://archive.org/details/alabamakearsarge00edge


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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 11:22:51 pm »
Yes:
The Encyclopedia of African American Military History says 15 black crewmen, but doesn't give names.

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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 01:35:24 am »
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I had never heard that expression!



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Re: Research challenge
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 12:18:21 pm »
Yes:
The Encyclopedia of African American Military History says 15 black crewmen, but doesn't give names.

Oh right..got it :)  Such a shame about the names though :(

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 12:18:37 pm »
beat creation, lick creation, whip creation US colloq. surpass everything.
I had never heard that expression!



OW: Next
"She'll lick creation --- she will"
 ;D

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