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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 01:35:45 pm »
Found this online. See the warrant officer's insignia. http://www.ushist.com/american_civil_war/union_us_military/uniforms/insignia_navy-officer_cw-us.shtml

Do the cap badges represent anything in particular please?  Might that narrow things down?  :-\


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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 01:50:47 pm »
https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/NH-51000/NH-51114.html

Have a look at No. 9 here.  William H. Badlam? Cap insignia is wrong in LoC photo...

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2017, 02:06:42 pm »

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 03:00:44 pm »
I don't think that the guy in photo 9 matches the chap sat in the semicircle as gunner Graham. Difficult because one picture is sideways on. But the hairlines don't match to my eye, and the chap in photo 9 looks to have a hair parting on the right of his head unlike the chap in the semicircle who parts  on the left. I don't think that men swap that detail very often is ever. 

I keep looking at the cheekbones on this group. That chap at the back of the ship-deck picture has such prominent cheekbones, and the only match that I see for that is No. 9 in the assemblage of single portraits.  :-\  Knowing that Mike Healey was lucky enough, in his book, to look European, I just wonder if the portrait included some powder/makeup?

Thanks for the list of insignia - very interesting. Can't see enough details on his cap in order to work out what it is :(

Boy this is a tough one.

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2017, 08:30:07 pm »
Franklin A Graham.

http://www.reocities.com/yosemite/9304/officerpics.html
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSob=c&GSvcid=409333&GRid=116451323&

My head's spinning now :)  Franklin A. Graham seems to fit the bill.

He's mentioned in this picture: http://www.reocities.com/yosemite/9304/officerpics.html  as Franklin A. Graham, Gunner. The cap badges are a little different in style, but the format is the same so I agree that his simple arches of leaves with no central symbol matches the group:
'Midshipmen, Boatswain, Carpenter, Gunner, Master's Mate (Warrant ONLY), & Sailmaker'
Not so helpful that Gunner and Mater's Mate are included together.

Thanks so much for sending that larger image, it is so helpful.
Below are the two images that I think match, check the hair line of the beard, his left ear, and the way his head hair line almost comes to meet his left eyebrow. It's interesting that he wears a glove on his right hand in the portrait so we can't see the colour of that skin at all.



And now adding in Franklin Graham from the salon picture. His hand is shown in the salon picture and it's darker skin than most of the others as is his face. Bear in mind that people wore powder for photographs in those days.



I'm now going to pick each picture to bits and match up the faces according to the name lists in the hope of working this out further.  :)

Anyway - how am I doing so far? :)

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2017, 01:10:33 am »
As usual - fast and thorough.

Here's something I found down this rabbit hole that might be useful again:
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/o/officers-continental-usnavy-mc-1775-1900.html

Alphabetical list of officers of the Navy to 1900.

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2017, 01:23:18 am »
We have links to quite a few variations of that one!
It is indeed very useful.

See: Officers and Personnel in the post Helpful Links to Outside Information continued
also
People: Name information sources

A year or two ago https://www.history.navy.mil did a major reorganization and broke a lot of out links >:(

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 10:12:47 pm »
Thank you both :)

Shame that William Smith is such a common name  ::) but it was good to see Franklin Graham turn up. No time on pictures tonight - but coming soon. I take it there's no obvious clue in the log books of the Kearsarge?

I can't seem to find the list of names that relates to the single portraits - any help available there please?  :)


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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 09:40:52 pm »
Well done Randi - I'd seen this page (https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/images/h51000/h51114l.htm) on the way rounds some things - and could not find it again. :)

Interesting - can't see him on this at all. http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/86/86176.htm  :-\
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2017, 09:43:33 pm »
OK! I think this is the one you mean?
http://www.reocities.com/yosemite/9304/officerpics.html

Oh yes - this one too. I think it's going to take a few days to get this sorted given the time I've got for it - but it is fun. I remember trying to sort out the crew list for the Jeannette from about 8 different sources  ::)

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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2017, 09:55:02 pm »
Spotted something on this page that peeked my interest:
http://theraconteuseexpose.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/ezra-bartlett-master-mate-uss-kearsarge.html
Is there any chance of finding this:
Bartlett Family. Papers, 1710-1931. ca. 10,000 items. Includes several letters and a diary by Ezra Bartlett. (1832-1886) written on board the U.S.S. Kearsarge

They are listed here:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2004/20040324001cw/20040324001cw.pdf
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Bartlett Family
Papers, 1710-1931. ca. 10,000 items.
Includes several letters and a diary by Ezra Bartlett
(1832-1886) written on board the U.S.S. Kearsarge, 1862-63,
and the U.S.S. Spiria[?], 1865; and a few letters by Ezra Bartlett
(1811-1892), concerning his work as a physician (USA) in
hospitals in Washington, D.C., and Memphis, Tenn., and at
various places in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, 1863-64.
Finding aid and microfilm copy (17 reels) available.

Any chance of accessing Ezra Bartlett's diary at all please?

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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2017, 09:57:33 pm »
Found one more person of interest:
http://www.marshall.edu/special-collections/css_alabama/pdf/union_reports.pdf

Report of Acting Master Sumner, U.S. Navy, commending the conduct of the division under his command in
the action between the U. S. S. Kearsarge and the C. S. S. Alabama.
 U. S. S. KEARSARGE,
 Cherbourg, June 20, 1864.
 JAMES S. THORNTON,
 Lieutenant-Commander and Executive Officer, U. S. S Kearsarge.
 SIR: In obedience to your desire I beg leave to submit my report of the conduct of the men of the third
division, under my command, in the recent action with the rebel steamer Alabama. During the whole action entire
steadiness of conduct prevailed among the men, and no one man could be distinguished from another in courage or
fortitude. But among those showing still higher qualifications I am pleased to name Thomas Perry (boatswain's mate)
and John Hayes (coxswain), first and second captains of No. 2 gun; George E. Read, first loader of same gun; also
Robert Strahan (captain top), first captain of No. 1 gun; James H. Lee, sponger, and Joachim Pease (colored
seaman)
, loader of same gun. The conduct of the latter in battle fully sustained his reputation as one of the best men
in the ship.
 I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
 D. H. SUMNER,
 Acting Master.
(Official Records, Series I, vol. 3, pp. 66-67)

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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2017, 10:19:42 pm »
http://www.marshall.edu/special-collections/css_alabama/pdf/union_reports.pdf

Got totally distracted by letters extolling the virtues of practically every member of the Kearsarge crew. Indeed their nobility of mind seems not have been met by the dastardly (English Royalist) enemy aboard the Alabama who saw an opportunity to carry on being naughty:

Letter from the Secretary of the Navy to Captain Winslow, U. S. Navy, commanding U. S. S. Kearsarge,
regarding his action in the matter of the survivors from the C. S. S. Alabama.
 NAVY DEPARTMENT, July 12, 1864.
 Captain JNO. A. WINSLOW, U. S. Navy,
 Commanding U. S. S. Kearsarge, Cherbourg, France.
 SIR: Your dispatch of the 21st ultimo is received, stating your efforts to save the lives of the survivors of the
Alabama after the battle of the 19th of June, and after the formal surrender and destruction of that vessel. Your
efforts in the cause of humanity in striving to rescue these men, most of them aliens, who have, under their ignoble
leader, himself a deserter from our service and a traitor to our flag, been for nearly two years making piratical war on
unarmed merchantmen, are rightly appreciated. It is to be regretted that the confidence and generous sympathy which
you exercised, and which would actuate all honorable minds under similar circumstances, should have been so
requited and abused by the persons on board the Deerhound, an English vessel of the Royal Yacht Squadron. That
the wretched commander of the sunken corsair should have resorted to any dishonorable means to escape after his
surrender; that he should have thrown overboard the Sword that was no longer his; that before encountering an
armed antagonist the mercenary rover should have removed the chronometers and other plunder stolen from peaceful
commerce, are not matters of surprise, for each act is characteristic of one who has been false to his country and flag.
You could not have expected, however, that gentlemen, or those claiming to be gentlemen, would on such an
occasion act in bad faith, and that having been called upon or permitted to assist in rescuing persons or property
which had been surrendered to you, would run away with either. It is now evident that your confidence in the
Deerhound and the persons connected with her was misplaced. The Department commends your efforts to save the
lives of drowning men, although they had been engaged in robbing and destroying the property of those who had
never injured them.
 In paroling the prisoners, however, you committed a grave error. The Alabama was an English-built vessel,
armed and manned by Englishmen; has never had any other than an English register; has never sailed under any
recognized national flag since she left the shores of England; has never visited any port of North America, and her
career of devastation since she went forth from England is one that does not entitle those of her crew who were
captured to be paroled. This Department expressly disavows that act. Extreme caution must be exercised that we in
no way change the character of this English-built and English-manned, if not English-owned, vessel, or relieve those
who may be implicated in sending forth this robber upon the seas from any responsibility to which they may be liable
for the outrages she has committed.
 Very respectfully, etc.,
 GIDEON WELLES,
 Secretary of Navy.
(Official Records, Series I, vol. 3, pp. 74-75)