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cyzaki

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2010, 11:13:01 am »
16th October and we've just had a court martial held on board - no idea if it's related to the death of Pte Charlick or not, it doesn't say what it was for.

kin47

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2010, 01:09:48 pm »
Hi Cyzaki

Private John A. Charlick drowned in Bermuda Harbour.

The first court of Enquiry would have been testimony of anyone who might have knowledge of his actions, etc, etc.

The second would be unknown, but may have been a revisit of the first, if new information had been received or a decision made.

No indication of his death being attributed to person or persons unknown.  There may have been rumblings it was not an accident as a person action by Charlick himself.

 His death was ruled accidental.  For further, these proceedings are sealed for 99 years, so we don't have long to wait to find out.

Keep up the great work Cyzaki!!

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cyzaki

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2010, 02:33:54 pm »
Thanks for the information!

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2010, 01:42:54 am »
Not a burial at sea, but an indicator of one preceding.

HMS Moldavia - 15 April 1916 @ 17:00
"Effects of late T.Picton (stoker RFR) sold by auction, realizing [pounds, shillings, pence] 1.9.8"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49756/ADM%2053-49756-010_1.jpg

Also @ 13:00 "Signalman Garston RNVR discharged from cells."
Served his sentence?

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2010, 04:08:35 am »
The interesting question is: what's an Army man doing on a Navy ship?

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2010, 04:19:18 am »

I'd say being transported.  Was this ship just stopping over, or was it based there?

cyzaki

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2010, 09:59:59 am »
It's a training ship - been sitting in Bermuda for a good few months now, going out on training runs letting sailors and such practice with guns most days.

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2010, 10:25:36 am »
Pte Charlick was in the Royal Marine Light Infantry, the forerunner of the Royal Marines, so not a soldier. The RMLI records are kept at the Fleet Air Arm Museum and for a small donation they will search them for you for further information.

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2010, 12:01:06 pm »
Hello

The auction of personal effects is not particularly proximate to the death.  I had a Boy die in October and his effects (and that of a deserter) sole the following spring.

I am not sure what the occassion that sets the date.

On the down side, I am unable to identify Picton in Adm records.  Must check further.

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Re: Pte John A Charlick
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2010, 12:05:52 pm »
Hello

The service record for John Axworthy Charlick, Plymouth 2974, is in the TNA index and is available for 3 pounds 50 on line. Or, if you're in the neighbourhood, you can view it free at the TNA, in Kew.

Missed your Soldier comment.  I'll promise not to tell anyone else, if you do the same.

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2010, 12:49:35 pm »
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46298/ADM%2053-46298-005_0.jpg
1545 Departed this life from fracture of skull Commander John Mathias R.O.R.N.R.

No burial at sea presumably as they were only 2 days out from Liverpool. No further mention however.

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2010, 12:54:07 pm »
Hello

CDR Mathias was buried in Cheshire.

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don

cyzaki

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2010, 12:55:48 pm »
I remember him from my time aboard that ship - he got hit on the head by a falling beam while dealing with a fire in the coal store, if I remember correctly?

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2010, 01:06:40 pm »
Excuse the wording, but that is a hard way to go.

Immediately pre war, from other logs, several men were killed in a battleship when the coaling elevator collapsed and crushed them.

Keep up the Good Work!!  Over and beyond all the OW benefits, these notes give me a chance to double check (and yes, on occasion, correct) entries.

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Re: Burials at sea
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2010, 03:31:00 pm »
He survived for a good few days as well, if my memory serves - I was hoping he'd make it to Liverpool but he didn't quite manage to hang on  :(